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Two toddlers died of heat exhaustion when their fathers forgot they were strapped in child seats in the back of their cars as they went to work.

Both cases involve middle-class men, described as devoted and loving parents, who appear to have forgotten their children in an inexplicable lapse of concentration.

Prosecutors said yesterday that a three-year-old girl had died from heatstroke and dehydration after spending the day locked in her father's vehicle in the car park at the factory where he had a managerial post.

Jean-Louis Chapuis, the regional director of public security, said: “The parents were very attached to their children and they are not a family which is in difficulty. There is no objective way of explaining this drama except to say that it was a huge moment of forgetfulness, a mental lapse.”

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The father, who has not been named, left home in the morning with Zoé, his daughter, in the baby seat in the rear of the car. Apparently unaware of her, he drove past the childminder 200m from his house in Saint-Marcel in eastern France, where she spent three days a week, and continued on to work. Police believe he may have thought that Zoé was spending the day with her mother. He parked the car at 9am and walked into his office at Areva, the French state nuclear operator.

The outside temperature was no more than 25C (77F), which is relatively low for southern France during the summer. Inside the car, it rose to 45C, according to fire officers.

At 4pm, the father got back into the car to fetch his five-year-old son from the town's nursery school - still apparently unaware that Zoé was in the baby seat. “He didn't even realise that the child was dead in the back of the car,” said a police source.

It was more than an hour later that he finally noticed his daughter. He drove directly to the local fire and ambulance station but rescue workers were unable to revive her.

“We have not been able to question the father. He is still in a very disturbed psychological state,” said Thierry Bas, the state prosecutor in nearby Chalon-sur-Saône.

Mr Bas said that Zoé had died three to five hours after being locked in the car. He said the father had been placed under arrest in hospital. Legal sources said he could be charged with manslaughter or with the offence of deliberately depriving a child of care.

The incident came seven days after a two-year-old boy died in similar circumstances in Pont-de-Chéruy, also in eastern France.

A passer-by found Yannis strapped into the baby seat in the family vehicle after being left for about three hours by Eric Allarousse, 38, his father. The outside temperature was between 25C and 27C. Mr Allarousse, who owns a chemist's, told detectives he had forgotten his son after witnessing a traffic accident after lunch on July 15.

Mr Allarousse spent the afternoon working in his chemist and only remembered about Yannis when he noticed fire officers trying to get into his car. “Yannis was his only child and he adored him,” said Jean-Louis Andreu, a local councillor. “Eric's profession meant that he was aware of the risks. Everyone here is totally shocked.” Prosecutors have yet to decide whether to bring criminal charges against Mr Allarousse.

? How do you forget a child is in a car, they are noise box on legs? And how did the child get in the car, and fit itself in and then decide not to speak to dad?:ohmy:
 






horrible, sad and in the first case slightly - it doesn't quite add up?
 


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I'm not feeling cynical this morning, so no - just sad.

If the child was asleep, as young kids often are in the car, he could quite conceivably have forgotten about her. He may have been pre-occupied with work stuff or anything.

I heard a similar story from a friend of a freind last year, which at the time seemed amusing, but hearing these terrible tales, could have ended so differently.

On that occasion it was a working mum - loads to do in the morning - get the nipper ready for nursery, pick up the dry cleaning, fight the traffic and get to work on time. She just made it to work a couple of minutes to 9, feeling quite pleased with herself, then suddenly remembered she'd forgotten one thing - to drop the kid off. Kid sleeping soundly in the back.

Quite feasible, as I say. If you're a Dad, you'll understand.
 






Napper

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Not sure I understand that to be fair. If you have that much of a sieve head then you shouldnt have kids
 




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So Dougal, you've never ever left your keys in the doors, left the grill on, left your bag on a train, forgotten a meeting, .....
 




So Dougal, you've never ever left your keys in the doors, left the grill on, left your bag on a train, forgotten a meeting, .....

and left the kids??

Mine are certainly extremely awake b4 and after breakfast.
 


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In the first case, he may not have even known the child was there. Perhaps it was a simple breakdown in communication between he and his wife? People are very quick to try to make things more sinister and complicated than they really are.

Its nothing more than a terrible accident. The guy either didn't know she was there, or genuinely FORGOT. What benefit is there in trying to apportion blame? Is it going to make this poor man feel any more remorse?
 


In the first case, he may not have even known the child was there. Perhaps it was a simple breakdown in communication between he and his wife? People are very quick to try to make things more sinister and complicated than they really are.

Its nothing more than a terrible accident. The guy either didn't know she was there, or genuinely FORGOT. What benefit is there in trying to apportion blame? Is it going to make this poor man feel any more remorse?

Well, lets hope he is a bit more observant at workm especially when carrying around jars of uranium.
 




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I heard a similar story that took place in Liverpool several years back when a mother late for work forgot that she had left her 7 yo strapped into the back of her car and it was only after the Police rang her to say her car was spotted doing 80 down the M6 that she remebered!
 




Starry

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How awful :(

It happens so often though, I just cannot imagine forgetting my child in the car. But if the mother put the baby in the car and assumed the husband knew that it was his turn to drop her off but never told him she'd done that, ugh. I know my husband and I have assumed the other is taking one of ours to such and such place or picking up but never actually said and have ended up at cross purposes.
 






JBizzleBeard

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How awful :(

It happens so often though, I just cannot imagine forgetting my child in the car. But if the mother put the baby in the car and assumed the husband knew that it was his turn to drop her off but never told him she'd done that, ugh. I know my husband and I have assumed the other is taking one of ours to such and such place or picking up but never actually said and have ended up at cross purposes.

When it comes to lookin after your kids you don't just make sure they are safe and sound, you FUCKIN DAMN WELL make sure they are safe and sound, its a life we are talking about at the end of the day and its your responsibility to make sure no unnecessary harm comes to them. End of.
 


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How awful :(

It happens so often though, I just cannot imagine forgetting my child in the car. But if the mother put the baby in the car and assumed the husband knew that it was his turn to drop her off but never told him she'd done that, ugh. I know my husband and I have assumed the other is taking one of ours to such and such place or picking up but never actually said and have ended up at cross purposes.

Exactly

No quite the same as leaving a child in a searing hot car for a day mate. Disgusting imo.

No, its not 'disgusting' to make an honest mistake. Why would you take that attitude with somebody who has made a terrible mistake and has to live with the consequences for the rest of his life. Have you no soul?
 


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When it comes to lookin after your kids you don't just make sure they are safe and sound, you FUCKIN DAMN WELL make sure they are safe and sound, its a life we are talking about at the end of the day and its your responsibility to make sure no unnecessary harm comes to them. End of.

Get over yourself, Mr f***ing perfect.
 




Starry

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When it comes to lookin after your kids you don't just make sure they are safe and sound, you FUCKIN DAMN WELL make sure they are safe and sound, its a life we are talking about at the end of the day and its your responsibility to make sure no unnecessary harm comes to them. End of.

You don't need to lecture me on how precious children's lives are.

But if the wife put the baby in the car and never told him and he assumed baby was safe and sound at home with mum then I can totally understand why he never checked his car. Sounds like a complete breakdown in communication between the two parents with the worst possible consequence.
 


JBizzleBeard

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Bollocks man, when you have children they are your first priority. Everything else comes secondary to that. I cannot begin to imagine and would never ever want to go through the tragic, terrible loss of one of your children. Its a mistake that should never need to happen if you have your shit together.
 


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