TWO MORE SITES added to the list of alternatives to Falmer

[Marc]

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[Dave the OAP]

Yes, that's exactly right.

I never passed on the information to anybody involved in any of the Public Inquiries or gave them permission to use any of the information I hold pertaining to Pende. Except I did pass on the information to Martin Perry (and that was before Planning Permission was applied for).

Hang on a minute...are you saying that people have used your information against your permission then?

 

[Yoda]

Haven't they built a station for the Reebok Stadium? I guess it also serves the retail park around the ground as well but it was built. Coventry's new Jaguar Arena is going to have a station built next to it as well.

Exactly, it's got more of a purpose that just football. They wouldn't have built them otherwise.

 

[Lammy]

Haven't they built a station for the Reebok Stadium? I guess it also serves the retail park around the ground as well but it was built. Coventry's new Jaguar Arena is going to have a station built next to it as well.

Yep but that is to service the shops more so than the stadium. They will not build a station for a stadium that is only used 23ish times a year.

 

[Rangdo]

Exactly, it's got more of a purpose that just football. They wouldn't have built them otherwise.

Plus the number of people using a station for Bolton or Arsenal would far exceed thos going to the Albion.

 

[Yoda]

Plus the number of people using a station for Bolton or Arsenal would far exceed thos going to the Albion.

That too. If the rail companies won't make a profit within a certain time scale, they won't build it.

 

[perseus]

Railway stations for football stadia

Derby hasn't got one, neither has Reading.

Bolton's railway station and new road was built after the stadium.

This is in the Pende plan. It is a fact that Railtrack will not build a railway station until their are sufficient customers to justify it (i.e. 250,000 or thereabouts.)

In this respect, Falmer has the distinct advantage.

Not having a a railway station (or the possibility of one) is not a fatal flaw, but a very strong indication. I cannot see anyway that in the long term, a proper football stadium could be justified without a railway station.

There are not enough buses and drivers.

 

[perseus]

Hang on a minute...are you saying that people have used your information against your permission then?

I have no record of anybody using my information. It is copyright protected (only plan can be copyrighted not the idea) and if anybody has, I would weant to know who it is so that I can take the appropriate action.

 

[Yoda]

WHERE ARE WE GOING TO FIND THE MONEY FOR ALL OF THIS?? ?? ?? ??

(Question on page 12)

 

[Rangdo]

WHERE ARE WE GOING TO FIND THE MONEY FOR ALL OF THIS?? ?? ?? ??

(Question on page 12)

We're not and since JP's criteria says any proposed alternative must be affordable it will fail. End of.

 

[Dave the OAP]

I have no record of anybody using my information. It is copyright protected (only plan can be copyrighted not the idea) and if anybody has, I would weant to know who it is so that I can take the appropriate action.

THIS IS VERY SERIOUS INDEED MR HORTON...ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT SOMEONE MAY HAVE USED YOUR PAPERS AGAINST YOUR EXPRESS PERMISSION...IF THIS IS SO, ARE YOU GOING TO PERSUE THIS. I THINK IT WOULD BE DREADFULL IF SOMETHING WAS PRESENTED AT THE INQUIRY BY ONE OF THE PROTAGIONISTS THAT IT TURNS OUT WAS USED WITHOUT PERMISSION

 

[Cadiz Seagull]

Railway stations for football stadia

Derby hasn't got one, neither has Reading.

Bolton's railway station and new road was built after the stadium.

This is in the Pende plan. It is a fact that Railtrack will not build a railway station until their are sufficient customers to justify it (i.e. 250,000 or thereabouts.)

In this respect, Falmer has the distinct advantage.

Not having a a railway station (or the possibility of one) is not a fatal flaw, but a very strong indication. I cannot see anyway that in the long term, a proper football stadium could be justified without a railway station.

There are not enough buses and drivers.

Maybe I'm dim, or maybe my brain is just overloaded at reading all this, but if you say that you cannot see that a stadium without a railway station could be justified, doesn't that rule out Shoreham Airport and the cement works? Which brings us back to Falmer, which has the best raillway connection of ALL the sites ever mentioned (except possibly Brighton station!)

 

[Jim D]

Derby hasn't got one, neither has Reading.

Pride Park is only 10 mins walk from the main Derby station. The Baseball Ground was further away.

 

[Squiggsy]

Have FPC been employing Spooks to 'lift' the Shoreham Airport work then??!!

 

[perseus]

THIS IS VERY SERIOUS INDEED MR HORTON...ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT SOMEONE MAY HAVE USED YOUR PAPERS AGAINST YOUR EXPRESS PERMISSION...IF THIS IS SO, ARE YOU GOING TO PERSUE THIS. I THINK IT WOULD BE DREADFULL IF SOMETHING WAS PRESENTED AT THE INQUIRY BY ONE OF THE PROTAGIONISTS THAT IT TURNS OUT WAS USED WITHOUT PERMISSION

You are suggesting this. I am not aware that anybody is using my plan without permission.

Furthermore, I am not going to give them permission to use it for nefarious purposes.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Oh No - where is Nefarious ? Is that another site ?

DtG - you are trying to have a conversation with someone on a parallel universe. It isn't going anywhere.

 

[Dave the OAP]

good on you

I am very glad you feel this way, as it would be awful if someone used your work to promote something that is as essential to the future of our club.

I am confidant that if anything appeared at the enquiry that had in fact been "lifted" from any investigations you had made into the suitability and feasability of "pende" you will of course be the first to bring this to the notice of the authorities running the inquiry.

i now go home confident in the fact that you had nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that the two new sites had been mentioned.

I unreservedly apologise for any slur on your good name I may have made and look forward to the inquiry and also to the information the other parties will be presenting to the PE, which of course will not have any of your finding in it at all. It will be interestng to see what they come up with won't it.

All the best

dave the gaffer

 

[Biscuit]

someone has got some f***ing explaining to do then.

rest of message edited.

 

[perseus]

Maybe I'm dim, or maybe my brain is just overloaded at reading all this, but if you say that you cannot see that a stadium without a railway station could be justified, doesn't that rule out Shoreham Airport and the cement works? Which brings us back to Falmer, which has the best raillway connection of ALL the sites ever mentioned (except possibly Brighton station!)

It certainly rules out (in my opinion) Sheepcote Valley, Shoreham Harbour, Toad's Hole, Waterhall ...

I am not trying to pull over anybody's eyes. Falmer has an adequate railway station.

Pende falls short of the required number of passengers at a maximum of something like 150,000 a year for football supporters alone.

Therefore, as someone quite rightly said, it would not be justified on its own. This would not pass the scrutiny board of a local Council, let alone a Public Inquiry.

 

[perseus]

Yoda, I know I have not answered your question. It will take sometime.