You know as well as I do that is nonsense.
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- Thread starter ShandyH
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You know as well as I do that is nonsense.
dingodan
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- Feb 16, 2011
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Those particular stills were picked and released before they can be put in any context for a reason. I loath Guiliani, but I expect he's tucking his shirt in and when that becomes clear everyone will have had their fun and no one will care that the insinuations were actually bs, it all just won't matter any more.
Pretty much everything is a load of crap these days.
Its odd how you can allude to something as serious as 'predatory sex offender' and with some famous people it will instantly become a story and others it won't, no matter how fake the news is.
McConnell, Graham et al have done everything they can, through gerrymandering and a full Republican judiciary below the Supreme Court, to set up a massive GOP victory.
The fact that the Dems are doing much the same doesn't bare thinking about.
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The fact that the Dems are doing much the same doesn't bare thinking about.
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beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,014
yeah, should be investigated, along with why those in posession of the drives didnt share them with the authorities. funny isnt how this became a story now, months after the drives were first known about, a year after they were supposedly found.
Mo Gosfield
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- Aug 11, 2010
- 6,362
There is a very bad smell around the Biden clan, fairly similar to the Clintons. No man in history has had more manure thrown at him than Trump. Derided, despised, villified and yet here he is, closing the gap, relentlessly, day after day and when Biden wanted to stay squeaky clean, mud is starting to stick. Just like Hilary, four years ago, odds on favourite and shoe-in to win, this has all the hallmarks of going the same way.
Mo Gosfield
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- Aug 11, 2010
- 6,362
Timing is everything.
larus
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Well, the FBI agent assigned to it works as a pedophile Investigator.
It amazes me that so many seem to accept everything said about Trump as being true, yet deny everything said about Biden. Surely, if you believe in a just society, then the truth is important not just what you want to hear.
larus
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If Trump gets re-elected, I can see some big changes in legislation towards FB/Twitter. Their loss of protection from article 230? (whatever it is which protects them from prosecuted as not being a publisher, just a platform), but they will find it very hard to defend that in the future with their blatant suppression of stories against Biden, but allowing anything anti-Trump.
Deffo.
Although I don't think there's a culture of deny around Biden more a case of 'well he's nowhere near as bad as Trump'.
As a defence goes you'd have thought the Democrats could have found a candidate with a little more going for them than just clearing the lowest prerequisite for the job.
larus
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Another example of this is the stories going around that the FBI KNEW that the Russian accusations being made were started by the Clinton campaign. Now, this sounds preposterous, but it’s accepted now that the Steele dossier was garbage.
So, what if the whole basis of the Trump accusations/impeachment attempt was carried out by those who opposed him.
Then, the whole point of ‘drain the swamp’ makes sense.
Supposedly, there is enough evidence on the Hunter drive to completely destroy the basis for the Russian investigations against Trump, and, from what I’ve read, this was with the FBI before the impeachment process.
I’m trying to be careful with what I’m saying. I’m not saying I believe Trump is a good guy and Biden bad. I just think there’s a lot more going on than is in the public domain. Sure, I think Trump has done dodgy things, but I also believe that there’s a lot of skeletons within the Biden closet, and there is is much public interest in these as in Trumps.
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
- 2,553
I think I may have spotted a problem with the legitimacy of your sources there.
Is this really what democracy has come to? Whoever can create the greatest amount of online insinuation and doubt around people connected with the other side, whoever can make the most mud stick, wins?
Hopefully not and people have seen it for what it all is and this is all just on-line noise.
The problem is that the noise makes it harder for peole to hear the real, and important, stuff. How much airtime is devoted to this shite which should be used giving people real information about the actual impact of Trump's tax cuts (mainly upward redistribution from poor to rich). Or what each canddates policies are on healthcare and what that would mean in practice. Or policies on economic recovery and climate change (Biden has good ones, but needs to work out how to sell those to the traditional industrial states)? What impact a trade war with China would have (no idea)?
Part of the problem though is that Trump doesn't have coherent policies or even a coherent ideology (as I suspect we will discover in the final debate). And even if he did, he isn't interested in learning and remembering them. He just wants to talk big and say whatever he feels like, as he has done all his life, and got away with it due to his inherited privilige.
And this is the problem with the narrative I see repeated here that this is a 'both sides' problem.
It's not. Trump has broken new ground in terms of lowering the tone and infantilizing politics and he is successfully dragging the other side (already fairly low) down further with him. And we've seen the same over here.
Lyndhurst 14
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- Jan 16, 2008
- 5,241
Interesting article
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-loses-lead-texas-where-democrats-havent-won-since-1976-1541117
Could it happen in Texas, probably not this time. But Beto O' Rourke lost his Senate bid in 2018 by 200,000 and since then about another 1.3 million voters have been added to the roll and in 2 years there could be a Democratic Governor. A colleague at work from Austin said Texas was not a Red State but a low turn out State
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-loses-lead-texas-where-democrats-havent-won-since-1976-1541117
Could it happen in Texas, probably not this time. But Beto O' Rourke lost his Senate bid in 2018 by 200,000 and since then about another 1.3 million voters have been added to the roll and in 2 years there could be a Democratic Governor. A colleague at work from Austin said Texas was not a Red State but a low turn out State
Exactly who, other than you and Trump, have declared that the Steele dossier is garbage?
As for impeachment, let's not forget that Trump was saved because despite all the senators swearing an oath, they voted not to hear any witnesses or evidence!!!!
The Steel dossier was debunked in the Horowitz report Look it up and learn
- Nov 11, 2009
- 12,267
Maybe with a combination of vote rigging, blocking democratic votes and the inherent thickness of many of the rednecks in the mid west. The autocrat may extend his personality cult?
Lyndhurst 14
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- Jan 16, 2008
- 5,241
When they mute Trump at tonight's debate
- Nov 11, 2009
- 12,267
Of course its false...... he read it on Breitbart!
The main contributor of that report, the Russian fella, Igor Danchenko has just given his first and only ever interview. In it ;
Danchenko defended his work on the dossier. “I stand by it,” he said. He said he did not resile from explosive allegations that Trump may have been compromised during a visit in 2013 to Moscow’s Ritz-Carlton hotel. “I got it right,” he added.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/21/trumps-false-russian-spy-claims-put-me-in-danger-says-steele-dossier-source