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Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
56,103
Faversham
Sadly, that is all standard election hype and lies you get everywhere. I just can't get over how he stood there talking ALL of the credit for a private company developing a test after 200000 people have died on his watch. Literally all he did was give money to a company and tell them to develop a test - like every other leader in the Western World you would imagine. If he even did do that.

Well, quite. To me he is beyond deplorable. I watched a clip of him stalking Hilary on the TV debate from the last time round, last night. And still people voted for the pervy orange liar. Your actual facts have nothing to do with anything in this contest. He probably thinks it is hilarious that he can do no work, claim credit for every success and absolve himself of any blame, while confident that his detractors and the media that broadcast his detraction are regarded as fake news peddlers by his support.

He will wind up sleepy joe, who will lose his temper and start stumbling over his words like a frail old man. The democrats deserve to lose for allowing their own process to become so conservative it has given them the older man as the candidate.
 




Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
16,033
What hasn't helped has been the riots which are framed as "this is the extreme left, which is what you'll get with Biden and co". It's been acknowledged by the democrats as a position that's been hurting them.


This is the thing that gets me. "You'll get this with Biden and co" completely ignores the fact that they are getting it NOW. With Trump :dunce:

A lot of Americans will lap it up and that's why he'll probably stick around for another four years...
 


Bozza

You can change this
Helpful Moderator
Jul 4, 2003
57,286
Back in Sussex
I have a friend who lives in LA.

She's well-educated, works in a profession as does her husband. She's smart, funny and considerate.

She's everything Trump isn't. Yet she voted for Trump.

She broadly can't stand the man, but believed he represented the best chance of a buoyant economy and, for that reason, he got her vote. I can only assume it was driven by the fear of the worst happening, losing job(s) and home with very limited social support including access to the health services you and your family may need.

The US can be a great place if you have a bit of cash, but I wouldn't want to live there as one of society's "withouts".
 


Lyndhurst 14

Well-known member
Jan 16, 2008
5,241
He will wind up sleepy joe, who will lose his temper and start stumbling over his words like a frail old man. The democrats deserve to lose for allowing their own process to become so conservative it has given them the older man as the candidate.

I think tonight's debate will be car crash TV. The VP debate between Kamala Harris and Mike Pence on October 7 should be better. I wish Harris had been the nomination, but of course she is a 'radical socialist' so that wouldn't happen. I don't like Pence because he is a born again evangelical but at least there might be some sort of discussion between the two whereas Trump will throw his toys out the pram and Biden could drop a few more gaffes under pressure.
 


Gwylan

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
31,827
Uffern
I was a bit surprised that they don't bother trying to get people to change their minds - I remember canvassers in the UK would spend a lot of time on the phone or on the doorstep trying to get you to change your mind if you were going to vote for the other candidate but very little time if you already agreed with them. I suppose it's a sad reflection of how polarised America has become and how entrenched political views are.

Things may have changed since I last went canvassing but, here in the UK, we were told quite specifically not to waste time trying to convert someone; it was all about gett the core vote out.

Now, I haven't doorstepped anyone for 33 years so this advice may have changed but I'd be surprised if it had.
 




highflyer

Well-known member
Jan 21, 2016
2,553
Things may have changed since I last went canvassing but, here in the UK, we were told quite specifically not to waste time trying to convert someone; it was all about gett the core vote out.

Now, I haven't doorstepped anyone for 33 years so this advice may have changed but I'd be surprised if it had.

No, it hasn't changed. If anything has hardened as the gap between parties has widened.
 


Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
32,468
Brighton
She's well-educated, works in a profession as does her husband. She's smart, funny and considerate.

She's everything Trump isn't. Yet she voted for Trump.

She broadly can't stand the man, but believed he represented the best chance of a buoyant economy and, for that reason, he got her vote.

She's "well-educated" and "smart", yet thought comfortably one of the worst businessmen of all time (bankrupt 6 times, well documented string of failed businesses, started at +$400m, now at -$421m) would provide a good economy. How does that work?

Some pretty big deal Casino owners have said that - if you have a certain level of start up (which Trump had) - it's basically nigh on impossible to fail in that industry. He managed it. He's a special level of incompetent with money.

What's frustrating is that a lot of this was known before the election, so I'm completely baffled why someone like your friend would vote for him. That said, I have a friend in the US - again a very smart, conscientious guy - who couldn't bring himself to vote for Hillary, and went Independent. I haven't asked, but I suspect he regrets it. He is voting Biden this time round.
 






sydney

tinky ****in winky
Jul 11, 2003
17,965
town full of eejits
She's "well-educated" and "smart", yet thought comfortably one of the worst businessmen of all time (bankrupt 6 times, well documented string of failed businesses, started at +$400m, now at -$421m) would provide a good economy. How does that work?

Some pretty big deal Casino owners have said that - if you have a certain level of start up (which Trump had) - it's basically nigh on impossible to fail in that industry. He managed it. He's a special level of incompetent with money.

What's frustrating is that a lot of this was known before the election, so I'm completely baffled why someone like your friend would vote for him. That said, I have a friend in the US - again a very smart, conscientious guy - who couldn't bring himself to vote for Hillary, and went Independent. I haven't asked, but I suspect he regrets it. He is voting Biden this time round.

very interesting segment on independent radio today ....Trump will owe the IRS at least 25 million in dodged taxes , Wesley Snipes done 3 years min for 800k tax avoidance , if Trump loses this election he's probably GAWN...!! for a long stretch ....ffs...?? how does this shit happen .
 


Lyndhurst 14

Well-known member
Jan 16, 2008
5,241
very interesting segment on independent radio today ....Trump will owe the IRS at least 25 million in dodged taxes , Wesley Snipes done 3 years min for 800k tax avoidance , if Trump loses this election he's probably GAWN...!! for a long stretch ....ffs...?? how does this shit happen .

Trump reminds me of another New Yorker who was a serial con man and snake oil salesman - Bernie Madoff.

And that didn't work out too well
 






Stat Brother

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
73,888
West west west Sussex
I have a friend who lives in LA.

She's well-educated, works in a profession as does her husband. She's smart, funny and considerate.
Then she doesn't live in LittlehAmpton.
 








Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
56,103
Faversham
Which was put in there to protect the public.

Sounds like a familiar argument from over here.

And people though 1984 was satire....
 


lasvegan

Well-known member
Jan 30, 2009
2,199
Sin City
She's "well-educated" and "smart", yet thought comfortably one of the worst businessmen of all time (bankrupt 6 times, well documented string of failed businesses, started at +$400m, now at -$421m) would provide a good economy. How does that work?

Some pretty big deal Casino owners have said that - if you have a certain level of start up (which Trump had) - it's basically nigh on impossible to fail in that industry. He managed it. He's a special level of incompetent with money.

What's frustrating is that a lot of this was known before the election, so I'm completely baffled why someone like your friend would vote for him. That said, I have a friend in the US - again a very smart, conscientious guy - who couldn't bring himself to vote for Hillary, and went Independent. I haven't asked, but I suspect he regrets it. He is voting Biden this time round.

Well, he did provide a good economy, the best for decades. The only thing that brought it down was a pandemic and a government shutdown.

What would be even more baffling is a well-educated, smart person voting for someone who is obviously suffering from the early onset of dementia.
 








Klaas

I've changed this
Nov 1, 2017
2,663
oh dear , you see , this is why you and i can't communicate .....you're way behind ...xx

:lolol::lolol::lolol: Funniest thing you've ever written, and you've said Pizzagate was proven!
 


Motogull

Todd Warrior
Sep 16, 2005
10,475
She's "well-educated" and "smart", yet thought comfortably one of the worst businessmen of all time (bankrupt 6 times, well documented string of failed businesses, started at +$400m, now at -$421m) would provide a good economy. How does that work?

I guess that shows the difference between living there and having different influences. That chap on the Borat 2 trailer; he was a Trump man but came across really well - I was expecting him to be a nutjob.
 


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