Trouble at the FA Cup Semi...

[Hugo Rune]

Sad times

The Chap with the big smile on his face who nicked the Policeman's hat will soon find himself in prison when the authorities track him down and make an example of him. The smile will then leave his face and appear on mine!

 

[Arthur]

What puts people's back up is your feeble attempts to portray yourself as some student of football crowd disorder based on heresay and conjecture.

It is simple. Crowd disorder is sadly a big part of Millwall culture. We are not talking about a handful of 50 or so well dressed men in their 20s out for a pre-organised ruck, or a baying herd of embarrassing mongs who will only run amok in places like Southend when numbers favour them massively. This is what we see at Albion.

At Millwall, there are literally hundreds of ****ing hard nutters you wouldn't mess with, who all look like Phil Mitchell and who all talk about taking liberties on other teams manors. In addition to these very scary blokes, there are many many more weirdly angry blokes at Millwall who aren't hard at all, but are happy to cause serious trouble when mobbed up. And they do. This is a conclusion drawn from my own experiences, not the sort of nonsense you seem happy to spout.

Spot on Sim. The difference between Millwall and Brighton can pretty much be summed up after nearly every game it would seem at the moment. Someone comes on here and starts a thread moaning about some bloke in row Z who slagged off Poyet. At Millwall they are man enough to slate the bloke in row Z to their face and not wait until they are back to the safety of their PC.

Interesting eye witness report from Empire which you can confirm allot of it in this vid

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I find it quite amusing that most of the people are just content to stand and watch until the old bill finally turn up then it becomes Millwall V the old bill.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

from a newspaper qoute

I was at the stadium about 30 yards away from where this all happened so I'd appreciate if you took the time to read my account of what actually happened.


First of all - I resent the comment 'Millwall are the scum of the earth'. That little girl you saw there is Millwall. My 5 year old nephew and my 60 year old dad who were with me at the game today are Millwall. We, along with 99% of the Millwall fans in that stadium are no different to any other fans in the world.

The people you saw in that footage are the scum of the earth - there is no defending or denying that and you wont find a single Millwall fan who disagrees with you. We are a club who gets an average home attendance of 12,000 fans - there were 35,000 Millwall fans at Wembley today. Where have they come from? Your guess is as good as mine, but I can assure you thousands of them have no affiliation with the club whatsoever.

What ACTUALLY caused the mass brawl?

The brawl actually started about 10 minutes before the cameras seem to have picked up on it. First of all - everyone in that part of the ground was pretty much standing at the time, because we had a lot of possession at that end of the pitch and were having a decent spell. From what we could work out, there were 1 or 2 drunk guys who started pushing and shoving (we didnt see how it started). This simmered on for a while and they were stumbling across rows knocking in to others. The people they were knocking into were with their families and obviously reacted and told them where to go (like anyone would). The drunk guys then started on these people.

Here is where it escalated. At this stage, at any ground in England, you'd normally expect stewards and/or police to step in and sort it out. I can tell you, and you will see yourself if you can find a wide enough angle, there must have been no fewer than 40 stewards standing at the front of that section of stand who were just watching the fighting and doing NOTHING. Not radioing for help, not going to get help, not even standing up - just watching. There were police in the corners of the ground also watching and doing nothing. There were, I'd estimate, no fewer than 100 Millwall fans trying to get the attention of the stewards and police to no avail whatsoever, while these idiots had been brawling and knocking into them and their families for the last 5-10 minutes while they were trying to watch the game.

Then Wigan score - effectively ending the game for us.

At this stage, the drunk dickheads from neighbouring stands had decided to come and see for themselves what was going on - I'd guess about 15 guys came over. This chaos went on for about 10-15 minutes before the police came wading in from the tunnel indiscriminately hitting people with truncheons including the people trying to defend their families. This caused people to turn their anger towards the police - and to be honest, while I don't condone their actions, having watched that chaos unfold for 10 minutes, I understood them. What you saw on TV was this last segment of events - not the build up.

Now let me ask you - what can any club do if there are 2-3 people who turn up and just want to have a fight? What more could Millwall as a club have done? We don't control the police. We don't control the stewards. Please don't tar us all with the same brush.

Just in case this post gets missed because we have ticked on to another page, this is the reality of the situation. A few people start it, others get dragged in through sheer bad luck of being in the wrong place. If it kicks off around you, and you have people to defend, you do what you have to do and it will escalate if stewards/police don't get involved early on.

A small minority ruin it for the majority, as per usual.

 

[GingerBeerMan]

Spot on Sim. The difference between Millwall and Brighton can pretty much be summed up after nearly every game it would seem at the moment. Someone comes on here and starts a thread moaning about some bloke in row Z who slagged off Poyet. At Millwall they are man enough to slate the bloke in row Z to their face and not wait until they are back to the safety of their PC.

Interesting eye witness report from Empire which you can confirm allot of it in this vid

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I find it quite amusing that most of the people are just content to stand and watch until the old bill finally turn up then it becomes Millwall V the old bill.

Actually does look like the eyewitness report. Some drunk people on left starting on families on the right who are standing up for them selves. If that's how it went down their even more

 

[BadFish]

Actually does look like the eyewitness report. Some drunk people on left starting on families on the right who are standing up for them selves. If that's how it went down their even more

I don't really see how you can see that to be honest....I also don't see the people coming from other stands but I am generally crap a spotting such things.

 

[Se20]

A bloke in a wheelchair would only ever fancy his chances against a Nigel.

There was only 4 of us, so we wisely walked on

 

[ThePolishJig]

I really feel for the fans who just want to go and support their local club, disgraceful.

 

[GingerBeerMan]

I don't really see how you can see that to be honest....I also don't see the people coming from other stands but I am generally crap a spotting such things.

All seats on the right appear to be families, just the way it looks to me (with some females, and kids). Seats on the left are largely vacant with people standing around, abusing etc, looks like the trouble makers.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

From the video footage it does look like it could all have been stopped by some decent steward intervention before it all kicked off.

Sad to see it of course, but looked to be at most 30 people. Anyone involved should be punished but let's not hang Millwall out to dry over this.

As an aside, anyone claiming the Albion don't attract similar people obviously wasn't at Selhurst when the gate got kicked in and Brighton steamed into the Palace concourse area. Hardly a 'Lads v Lads honour among thieves prearranged dust up' was it?

Are our fans historically as bad as some of Millwall et al? Of course not. Do we have a section who can potentially be as bad on the odd occasion as what we saw yesterday? Most definitely. As does every club.

 

[Eagle Slayer]

Millwall fans would not want to mess with this chap

 

[Weststander]

Let's just dispel this myth once and for all that Liverpool fans weren't to blame for Heysel.


From Red and White Kop independent Liverpool website:


John Smith had told reporters that he believed the trouble to be the fault of ‘Chelsea fans’ - it was nonsense, clutching at straws. There had been fans of other clubs there, there always is in major cup finals, but not in any significant numbers.


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From a much respected book 'From Where I Was Standing' by Liverpool fan Chris Rowland:


All I can say is that none of these things were witnessed by any of us. Although it did not feel quite like the usual Liverpool crowd that fateful evening in Brussels, and much as though we would love to be able to shed some of the responsibility and have it shared by Chelsea or any other club’s fans, right-wing extremists or the Mafia, the fact is that when twenty six names to be charged with manslaughter were released, most had Merseyside addresses.


Heysel, 25 Years On – Book Extract | The Tomkins Times | News, Opinion, Statistics and Discussion about Liverpool FC Football Club

The latter especially blows out the water any conspiracy theories about Chelsea hoolies being the troublemakers. Now back to this binfest.

Dog with a bone about LFC 28 years ago, when the real issue is Millwall or whoever and their disgusting behaviour right now in 2013. A Millwall fan has filmed from the prawn sandwich club deck above and its on Youtube. You can clearly see that it is NOT one or two spotty teenagers as often spurted out, but A LOT of fat men in their 20s to 40s scaring the life out of all the innocent bystanders.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The Chap with the big smile on his face who nicked the Policeman's hat will soon find himself in prison when the authorities track him down and make an example of him. The smile will then leave his face and appear on mine!

He was funny. Hid the hat under his coat....but by now half the world knows where that copper's hat is

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Millwall fans would not want to mess with this chap

Out of interest where did you get this footage of [MENTION=11956]bushy[/MENTION] from?

 

[atfc village]

Pompey and Millwall fans at it at Waterloo last night ,the 1115 train to Ppmpey last night full of complete shunts total Bellends.

 

[genre b. good]

The Chap with the big smile on his face who nicked the Policeman's hat will soon find himself in prison when the authorities track him down and make an example of him. The smile will then leave his face and appear on mine!

Given that he probably picked the hat up off the floor, do you really think he will (or deserves to be) actually be put away?

 

[FalmerforAll!**]

Comments about West Ham/Chelsea being there are laughable. West Ham turned out quite massively in Southampton earlier.

Rumours circulating that Millwall got done by Pompey who were at Brentford at Waterloo earlier on in the day. Sounds like London was carnage yesterday.

 

[GingerBeerMan]

Millwall fans would not want to mess with this chap

I must have seen this clip about 15 times now, and I still insist on watching it again. It's quality

 

[Hugo Rune]

Given that he probably picked the hat up off the floor, do you really think he will (or deserves to be) actually be put away?

I don't think he deserves to be put away but the Met/FA/Millwall will be looking to make examples of these Millwall folk and because of the press coverage this fella will attract once the press/Police track him down, it would seem logical that he'd be in a lot of trouble. Some of the Croydon rioters went down for first offence/minor theft to set an example, I think the same thing will happen to the 'hat nicker'. Also, any crime against a plod seems to carry more punishment than the same crime committed against a member of public. I do think this chap deserves some sort of punishment for simply being stupid enough to commit the crime in such an obvious way in front of the kind of scrutiny (cctv) we have in modern stadia. Silly sausage!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Given that he probably picked the hat up off the floor, do you really think he will (or deserves to be) actually be put away?

Theft by finding will be a fine and maybe Community Service.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Spot on Sim. The difference between Millwall and Brighton can pretty much be summed up after nearly every game it would seem at the moment. Someone comes on here and starts a thread moaning about some bloke in row Z who slagged off Poyet. At Millwall they are man enough to slate the bloke in row Z to their face and not wait until they are back to the safety of their PC

Perhaps it is their willingness to confront that causes violence?