Tree-huggers disagree with Greens

[HovaGirl]

You didn't really look very hard did you?

UPDATED: Brighton council could save elm tree set for chop in Seven Dials scheme From The Argus)

Thanks. It wasn't on the main index when I originally posted. Nor was it late last night. So maybe their index doesn't work.

 

[HovaGirl]

Chopping down a tree doesn't negate green credentials. Do you have a deep seated dislike for the Green Party?

I suppose I do. Like the LibDems, I think they're extremely naive.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

What the Greens are doing to the road network in the City is ridiculous. I know the Old Shoreham Road mess wasn't strictly speaking their doing, but what's happening on Lewes Road at the moment is absolutely ridiculous, and their plans for the Seven Dials are just ridiculous. The war on the roads from them is pretty poor, and I say that as a non-driver. I use the bus network, as they are keen for people to do, and what they're doing isn't helping at all.

 

[Triggaaar]

i hate the term "tree huggers" err.....the planets been here a long time and in the last 50 years nearly half the trees have been cut down by man.....if you dont think this is an issue then frankly, your a ****.

trees give oxygen to the atmosphere - something we all pretty much need.

So what exactly do you think the issue is? Are you concerned that we'll cut down so many trees that there won't be enough oxygen for us to live?

 

[BLOCK F]

Chopping down a tree doesn't negate green credentials. Do you have a deep seated dislike for the Green Party?

Umm,yes.They are not so bad when they haven't got any power!(excuse the pun!)

 

[Lord Bracknell]

What the Greens are doing to the road network in the City is ridiculous. I know the Old Shoreham Road mess wasn't strictly speaking their doing, but what's happening on Lewes Road at the moment is absolutely ridiculous, and their plans for the Seven Dials are just ridiculous. The war on the roads from them is pretty poor, and I say that as a non-driver. I use the bus network, as they are keen for people to do, and what they're doing isn't helping at all.

The Lewes Road scheme will make things very much better for buses and bus passengers. Even the taxi operators support it.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Brighton and Hove Labour's twitter was last night claiming that Green Cllr Phillips voted to have the tree chopped down and then turned up at the protest.

Biggest bunch of hypocrites ever and in politics that takes some doing.

 

[The Large One]

What the Greens are doing to the road network in the City is ridiculous. I know the Old Shoreham Road mess wasn't strictly speaking their doing, but what's happening on Lewes Road at the moment is absolutely ridiculous, and their plans for the Seven Dials are just ridiculous. The war on the roads from them is pretty poor, and I say that as a non-driver. I use the bus network, as they are keen for people to do, and what they're doing isn't helping at all.

You're doing what the Argus (and the OP) does - take one story, and try to tack on several others.

In what way are the plans for the Seven Dials ridiculous? The most ridiculous plan has been to ignore the total hatstand of a junction for so many years.

What people are up in arms over was the apparent lack of clarity that the plan included removing this tree. This protest isn't about the Seven Dials plans. It's about saving a tree.

 

[The Large One]

Brighton and Hove Labour's twitter was last night claiming that Green Cllr Phillips voted to have the tree chopped down and then turned up at the protest.

Biggest bunch of hypocrites ever and in politics that takes some doing.

A slight exaggeration, wouldn't you say?

You don't remember Jeffery Archer, Jonathan Aitken, Neil Hamilton, Derek Hatton et al...?

 

[Ninja Elephant]

The Lewes Road scheme will make things very much better for buses and bus passengers. Even the taxi operators support it.

In theory it will. Eventually. How long is this supposed to take? It's been carnage since the beginning of January and I genuinely see no reason at all for it to take 3 months (already), with no end in sight.

 

[keaton]

Brighton and Hove Labour's twitter was last night claiming that Green Cllr Phillips voted to have the tree chopped down and then turned up at the protest.

Biggest bunch of hypocrites ever and in politics that takes some doing.

Apart from that local Tory councillor who spent millions on bike lanes and then complained about them when he got voted out.

Or the Tories when it comes to Bankers, Iraq, sleaze or the economic crisis.
Or Lib Dems when it comes to anything in the last two years.
Or New Labour

 

[Ninja Elephant]

You're doing what the Argus (and the OP) does - take one story, and try to tack on several others.

In what way are the plans for the Seven Dials ridiculous? The most ridiculous plan has been to ignore the total hatstand of a junction for so many years.

What people are up in arms over was the apparent lack of clarity that the plan included removing this tree. This protest isn't about the Seven Dials plans. It's about saving a tree.

I don't care about the tree. It's a tree.

I'm talking about the plans for the Dials, and I'm also talking about the massive disruption going on at the moment on Lewes Road. Separate incidents with the mutual link being they are roads and they are being changed by the council. After how many years, exactly? The Dials is only now a problem? Is it really THAT bad? Or is there just nothing else to do at the moment? Personally I don't see a problem with the Dials, as a pedestrian. As a driver, clearly it's not overly pleasant but it's not that difficult to avoid it and surely it's not that difficult to negotiate, on the assumption you aren't a hatstand of a driver.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

In theory it will. Eventually. How long is this supposed to take? It's been carnage since the beginning of January and I genuinely see no reason at all for it to take 3 months (already), with no end in sight.

The scheme is being built in stages. The works will take about 18 months in total to complete - but that includes areas that they have yet to start on. Expect delays until mid-2014.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

The scheme is being built in stages. The works will take about 18 months in total to complete - but that includes areas that they have yet to start on. Expect delays until mid-2014.

And do YOU, personally, consider that to be an acceptable and necessary timeframe? I genuinely can't believe it takes 18 months, not if you want to get it done quicker. Are they going to repave the road as well, or will it be nice and patchwork until they decide to cause even more chaos when they eventually decide to repave the whole thing on both sides, a side at a time? Which will, presumably, take about a year.

 

[The Large One]

I don't care about the tree. It's a tree.

I'm talking about the plans for the Dials, and I'm also talking about the massive disruption going on at the moment on Lewes Road. Separate incidents with the mutual link being they are roads and they are being changed by the council. After how many years, exactly? The Dials is only now a problem? Is it really THAT bad? Or is there just nothing else to do at the moment? Personally I don't see a problem with the Dials, as a pedestrian. As a driver, clearly it's not overly pleasant but it's not that difficult to avoid it and surely it's not that difficult to negotiate, on the assumption you aren't a hatstand of a driver.

I think you've just tied yourself up in knots with that answer.

One, of course things will be disrupted while work is in progress. What did you expect?

Two, for me, the Seven Dials being neglected for junction improvements over the years has been awful. There's nothing new about that junction now from 15 years ago. But that's the problem - 15 years. Possibly more.

on the assumption you aren't a hatstand of a driver.

On that junction, it's one hell of an assumption.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Apart from that local Tory councillor who spent millions on bike lanes and then complained about them when he got voted out.

Or the Tories when it comes to Bankers, Iraq, sleaze or the economic crisis.
Or Lib Dems when it comes to anything in the last two years.
Or New Labour

Or the guy who drove round Hanover with a sticker supporting the Greens....in a 4 x 4

Or the Green Party supporters who cut down GM crops that could feed some of the world's poorest people.

Or the party that stands for 'progressive social justice' and then closes Sure Start Centres so that middle class families can visit city centre Biospheres.

You're probably right that they're all as bad as one another. It's just that the Greens pretend to be 'progressive' and different'. The main parties gave this pretence up years ago.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

I think you've just tied yourself up in knots with that answer.

One, of course things will be disrupted while work is in progress. What did you expect?

Two, for me, the Seven Dials being neglected for junction improvements over the years has been awful. There's nothing new about that junction now from 15 years ago. But that's the problem - 15 years. Possibly more.

On that junction, it's one hell of an assumption.

In what way? have I tied myself up in knots?

And that's kind of the point isn't it? It's worked for 15 years or so, so where's the problem now? Why is it only NOW a problem that needs resolving? I think that is one question, but the other question is who on earth came up with the plans for what they're actually going to be doing?

Do you not agree that the problems are more geographical than anything else? There are 7 roads converging there, that is the problem rather than the layout isn't it?

Also, my stepdad is the worst driver I have known. And he has never been killed up there, so how bad can it be?

 

[HovaGirl]

I think you've just tied yourself up in knots with that answer.

One, of course things will be disrupted while work is in progress. What did you expect?

Two, for me, the Seven Dials being neglected for junction improvements over the years has been awful. There's nothing new about that junction now from 15 years ago. But that's the problem - 15 years. Possibly more.

It's been like that for 40 years, except when the roundabout was larger and covered with grass. I remember a tent parked on the Dials roundabout in the 70s.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

It's been like that for 40 years, except when the roundabout was larger and covered with grass. I remember a tent parked on the Dials roundabout in the 70s.

That was then. Now it is a DEATH TRAP which can only be solved with zebra crossings.

 

[The Large One]

In what way? have I tied myself up in knots?

You're tying yourself up in knots by saying it's fine for pedestrians, then acknowledging it's bad for drivers. It's a junction for everyone (pedestrians, cars, bikes, motorcycles, buses etc), but then you're denying a problem. Or rather, the need for a solution.

Sure, if everyone used the junction properly, you wouldn't get accidents - but they don't, and you do. Or is your maxim 'not enough people have been hurt badly enough for us to do something?'

And that's kind of the point isn't it? It's worked for 15 years or so, so where's the problem now? Why is it only NOW a problem that needs resolving? I think that is one question, but the other question is who on earth came up with the plans for what they're actually going to be doing? Do you not agree that the problems are more geographical than anything else? There are 7 roads converging there, that is the problem rather than the layout isn't it?

The point is it was a problem 15 years ago, and nothing was done. There's nothing specific about 'now' as in 8 March 2013 - more that finally it's being dealt with.

The problems are about seven roads converging on one, but seeing as they're not going to block off any roads, then they have to deal with seven roads. So the layout has to be appropriate.

But I'll re-ask my question, what is your problem with the new layout?

Also, my stepdad is the worst driver I have known. And he has never been killed up there, so how bad can it be?

I don't think you'll find it's always the bad drivers who get hurt. Apologies for pointing out the obvious.