Total anarchy in Hastings for Amber Rudd

[pearl]

This getting out of hand now, the kids are not alright and there's a lot of hurt out there As quick as it gets cleaned off somewhere and, the truth gets covered up, it appears elsewhere. This is on the £120m Link Road this morning.

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Anarchy in the Frontier Town - cool

 

[pearl]

This is amazing and rather sad

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someone has sprayed The Clash on that

 

[wellquickwoody]

I'm sure that's tough for you, but are you really making a comparison between being a month away from not being able to pay your mortgage to not being able to eat? If you haven't got enough held back to pay more than 1 month of mortgage payment then that is difficult but your debt is self incurred in a mission to buy a house. These are people that are in dire straits.

It's still missing the point though, a lot of people hate the tories because they systematically and knowingly see people in to poverty while feathering the nests of their bretheren and making sure that their mates can romp about the countryside in silly outfits drinking brandy.

What utter bloody claptrap! Not being able to pay the mortgage is just as bad as not affording food, in fact worse, as it will mean no food and no roof as poster will not be in receipt of housing benefit to pay his rent. As for 'the tories because they systematically and knowingly see people in to poverty while feathering the nests of their bretheren', where did you get this regurgitated soundbite from, the Militant 1980's handbook. It is precisely because of idiots like you that Labour do not have a cat in hells chance at the polls. Go and join the Socialist Party , or the Communist Party or some other dogmatic looney anarchist group that you can identify with and leave to rebuild and provide a respectable opposition to the Tories.

Go and talk class war and envy with your other Momentum chums in the Cowley Club.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Thanks for putting me in the picture. The only things I knew about her was that she used to be married to AA Gill and did a good demolition job on that asinine fool Johnson during a TV special last summer. I didn't realise that she had a starring role in the murky world of expenses claims. Another thing she has in common with Fox I suppose.

She's also publicly made derogatory remarks on Hastings and it's people, (on drugs and benefits) as have others on this thread, which for some reason don't go down too well with everyone in Hastings, rather like her comments at the Conservative Party conference in the autumn as Home Secretary did too, on lists of all known and suspected foreigners being provided by business.

Being born in Hastings and growing up and living in the area most of my live, I can understand the growing backlash against her, although there's no certainty her seat is at risk despite this and her not considerable majority.

 

[mikeyjh]

What utter bloody claptrap! Not being able to pay the mortgage is just as bad as not affording food, in fact worse, as it will mean no food and no roof as poster will not be in receipt of housing benefit to pay his rent.

And that's how the middle classes convince themselves that they are caring sharing lot and that their predicament is just as bad as the very poorest. Potentially struggling to meet a payment on a loan in a months time against the nice asset you have over your head <> not being able to feed your family. Suggesting so demonstrates how far you are from understanding why we hate the tories.

What next? The pony's grooming fees are really stretching us = Can't afford new shoes?

 

[wellquickwoody]

And that's how the middle classes convince themselves that they are caring sharing lot and that their predicament is just as bad as the very poorest. Potentially struggling to meet a payment on a loan in a months time against the nice asset you have over your head <> not being able to feed your family. Suggesting so demonstrates how far you are from understanding why we hate the tories.

What next? The pony's grooming fees are really stretching us = Can't afford new shoes?

What a complete buffoon, always going to rely on getting a leg up from someone because you are unable to think past the 'because I deserve it' mantra.

 

[Soulman]

And that's how the middle classes convince themselves that they are caring sharing lot and that their predicament is just as bad as the very poorest. Potentially struggling to meet a payment on a loan in a months time against the nice asset you have over your head <> not being able to feed your family. Suggesting so demonstrates how far you are from understanding why we hate the tories.

What next? The pony's grooming fees are really stretching us = Can't afford new shoes?

So Labour in power from 1997- 2010 sorted out the problems then.
For the Ordinary working man/women they were awful, preferring to make many on low wages better off on the dole.

 

[JCL666]

So Labour in power from 1997- 2010 sorted out the problems then.
For the Ordinary working man/women they were awful, preferring to make many on low wages better off on the dole.

Got any facts to back this up or is this once again some of your anecdotal BS?

 

[Soulman]

Got any facts to back this up or is this once again some of your anecdotal BS?

Plenty of people that I knew were in this situation. Life experience, rather than the BS I have been replying to.

 

[JCL666]

Plenty of people that I knew were in this situation. Life experience, rather than the BS I have been replying to.

Anecdotal then.

 

[Soulman]

Anecdotal then.

Fair enough, your opinion, as I have mine.
Research shows that this is not the case now, but pre 2010 it was the case for many.

 

[Chicken Run]

Got any facts to back this up or is this once again some of your anecdotal BS?

Have you got any facts to counter the the aforementioned claim rather than a notion and to a degree hope that he hasn't?

 

[JCL666]

Have you got any facts to counter the the aforementioned claim rather than a notion and to a degree hope that he hasn't?

Lol I haven't made any claim regarding "the ordinary working man/woman". If I did I would cite a source rather than "plenty of people i know......"

For example: I also know plenty of ordinary working people, none of them were affected by Labour policies whereby they were better off claiming non working benefits rather than getting paid via employment.

Means nothing.

 

[JCL666]

Fair enough, your opinion, as I have mine.
Research shows that this is not the case now, but pre 2010 it was the case for many.

What research?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Have you got any facts to counter the the aforementioned claim rather than a notion and to a degree hope that he hasn't?

Someone pointed out recently that now everyone has a smartphone or tablet next to them there is no reason for arguments about facts, only about opinions.

To say "Those 13 years of life under a Labour government were very depressing" is an opinion. The sort of opinion everyone has a right to. Completely legitimate, and perhaps the starting point for a debate.

To say "Life for ordinary working people became tougher in the years 1997 - 2010" goes beyond a simple opinion. It is an apparent statement of fact and surely it is reasonable for the poster to ask for evidence?

 

[brakespear]

You don't get it because it's not about YOU or ME, is about those who are an unexpected bill away from a food bank. That's why there's Tory hate, while 1.2 million people suffer and have to beg for handouts to feed their family for 3 days, the Tories are focusing on repealing the hunting bill. I hope that helps.

spot on

 

[SK1NT]

. There are millions of other people just like me, who are not rich, but just plodding along. We agree it is what it is, and it doesn't matter what you do from this point forward nothing is going to change that much. Nobody is going to help you anymore, if you are able, only you can make things better.

WTF... so a very small elite section of society is getting richer. Whilst everyone else is plodding along and scraping by but because we can;t change this we can;t speak out against it... FFS man we speak up louder. The tory government doesn't give a flying fu ck about us "normal" people (unless trying to get our vote) they are for the rich.

Not a lot the Tories can do when the EU insists on free movement, hence why I voted Leave. I feel there is a much better way.

lol.... yea and we are really going to get a trade deal off the EU without agreeing to the free movement of people... Can't cherry pick...

https://youtu.be/TA6XxYepCDs

Heard this live... very powerful and scary.

 

[mikeyjh]

So Labour in power from 1997- 2010 sorted out the problems then.
For the Ordinary working man/women they were awful, preferring to make many on low wages better off on the dole.

They were far from perfect, that is fair to say. Once again though, the reason many people hate the tories is there policy preference for the most wealthy v those most in need. Have a listen to R5 right now, a man talking about his mum and her care needs and the social worker recommending the solution to her inability to look after her own toilet needs overnight - Adult nappies, you can guess that when he blamed the £4.6b cuts in social care he probably hates the tories.

My own situation - My mum needs a lot of care, it's costing her/me about £5,000 a month, the government offering is £55 a week. I am not complaining, we can afford it but many cannot and their loved ones would be in the same situation as above, lying in their on filth until the care arrives. That's what we're talking about here, people who cannot care for themselves, people who cannot feed themselves, in 2017 in 'Great' Britain. Complain about struggling to meet future mortgage payments all you like but this why I and many others hate the tories,

 

[Soulman]

Lol I haven't made any claim regarding "the ordinary working man/woman". If I did I would cite a source rather than "plenty of people i know......"

For example: I also know plenty of ordinary working people, none of them were affected by Labour policies whereby they were better off claiming non working benefits rather than getting paid via employment.

Means nothing.

Take your pick, though not from post Labour years, which was my point.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?ie=...er+labour&gfe_rd=cr&ei=9QoTWfjoIM7v8Aejq7awCw.

 

[mikeyjh]

What a complete buffoon, always going to rely on getting a leg up from someone because you are unable to think past the 'because I deserve it' mantra.

Read my other post - I'm hugely grateful for the £55 a week leg up I get, I just wish some other people got a bit more because they do 'deserve it'.