[Politics] Tory party annual conference Birmingham

[midnight_rendezvous]

How much of more of your free money are you prepared to give in tax under a future labour government seeing as your griping about everyone else. I'd assume it would be at least 3/4 of what you have left after paying your bills seeing as your currently on a very high horse

Or instead of giving massive tax cuts to the wealthiest in society we could tax them appropriately? We are ‘all in this together’ after all... aren’t we?

 

[lawros left foot]

Perhaps, but can Tory voters really claim ignorance to a long list of policies that attack the most vulnerable in society? Either they aren’t paying close enough attention or they simply don’t care enough to change their voting intentions presumably because it doesn’t effect them.

For example...

Half of maternity units closed at some point last year
Teaching crisis
Nursing crisis
Policing crisis
Armed forces crisis
Wages in decline
Windrush
Private prison crisis
Private train companies defrauding the state
Private nhs providers defrauding the state
Private academies closing shop
Waiting lists for nhs services at record levels
A/E waiting times at record highs
People dying in hospital corridors
Social care crisis
Food bank useage at record high
A huge rise in child poverty
House building at lowest levels since 1920’s

It gets to a point where your either wilfully ignorant, too stubborn to change your voting intentions or just plain spiteful.

But, all that is the fault of the last Labour Government, or the unions, or Europe, or workshy poor people, or immigrants.
( insert as necessary)

 

[beorhthelm]

Or instead of giving massive tax cuts to the wealthiest in society we could tax them appropriately? We are ‘all in this together’ after all... aren’t we?

i can think of one tax cut directly at the wealthiest, top rate reduced from 50p to 45p, which apparently raised more revenue. were there any others?

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

i can think of one tax cut directly at the wealthiest, top rate reduced from 50p to 45p, which apparently raised more revenue. were there any others?

Roughly 80% of the tax cuts that have come into force go to better-off households. 67% of benefit cuts fall on poorest third of households. Once again it's Tory policies that snatches from the poor in order to redistribute to the already well off.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Perhaps, but can Tory voters really claim ignorance to a long list of policies that attack the most vulnerable in society? Either they aren’t paying close enough attention or they simply don’t care enough to change their voting intentions presumably because it doesn’t effect them.

For example...

Half of maternity units closed at some point last year
Teaching crisis
Nursing crisis
Policing crisis
Armed forces crisis
Wages in decline
Windrush
Private prison crisis
Private train companies defrauding the state
Private nhs providers defrauding the state
Private academies closing shop
Waiting lists for nhs services at record levels
A/E waiting times at record highs
People dying in hospital corridors
Social care crisis
Food bank useage at record high
A huge rise in child poverty
House building at lowest levels since 1920’s

It gets to a point where your either wilfully ignorant, too stubborn to change your voting intentions or just plain spiteful.

Ask Giraffe he is a life long Tory voter and recently became a member, I'm sure he will deny it all as fake news or say it's all Labours fault due to spending too much while the banking crisis never happened.

 

[Ernest]

Ask Giraffe he is a life long Tory voter and recently became a member, I'm sure he will deny it all as fake news or say it's all Labours fault due to spending too much while the banking crisis never happened.

Makes you wonder what sort of person actually joins the Tory Party

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Ask Giraffe he is a life long Tory voter and recently became a member, I'm sure he will deny it all as fake news or say it's all Labours fault due to spending too much while the banking crisis never happened.

You can also ask Giraffe about his shocking misogynistic views on businesswomen #Tory

 

[beorhthelm]

Roughly 80% of the tax cuts that have come into force go to better-off households. 67% of benefit cuts fall on poorest third of households. Once again it's Tory policies that snatches from the poor in order to redistribute to the already well off.

i note you avoiding citing any tax cuts on the wealthy. instead you've changed tack onto the incidence of tax cuts on housholds, also unqualified (whats a "better off" household?).

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Special report on local news down here tonight, reporter going around in a car with the Plymouth Rozzers.
One third of their jobs are dealing with 999 calls for people with mental health problems, they find them and then take them to hospital until they are eventually seen to, then there is nowhere for them to go as the stupidly small mental health wards are full up.
We have one mental health ward for children for the whole of Devon & Cornwall which has, wait for it, 12 beds.
Most end up in places like Manchester.
All this sometimes leaves just 1 cop car dealing with crime.
Unbelievable stuff.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

i note you avoiding citing any tax cuts on the wealthy. instead you've changed tack onto the incidence of tax cuts on housholds, also unqualified (whats a "better off" household?).

Wealthy households. Try and keep up.

The government claimed that reducing the top rate of income tax from 50p to 45p in 2013 wouldn’t cost the government money. In fact, analysis carried out by UNISON shows that between 2013/14 and 2017/18 the income tax cuts for those earning over a million pounds a year alone have saved the nation’s super-wealthy on average £554,000 each. Those tax cuts have also cost the British taxpayer £8.6bn over those five years.

That’s £8.6bn that could have been spent avoiding the harshest of cuts to the NHS, schools and local government. And £8.6bn that could have been spent raising wages for those dedicated public servants who work for our communities. Put another way, tax cuts for the richest 15,000 taxpayers in the country could have bought them a couple of top of the range sports cars, a big house in the country or perhaps even a helicopter. Yet at the same time, the same government has cut wages in real terms for those who teach our children, care for our loved ones and empty our bins.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

i note you avoiding citing any tax cuts on the wealthy. instead you've changed tack onto the incidence of tax cuts on housholds, also unqualified (whats a "better off" household?).

 

[beorhthelm]

...

still no other tax cut reported. looks like you are refering to the combined effects of the increased basic and higher rate tax thresholds, and infer that "wealthy" means anyone at around average earnings or above. (also, that graph doesnt match your 80% stat, as every houshold from the 4th decile is net beneficary).

just to be clear, the claim i questioned was what were the " massive tax cuts to the wealthiest in society". appears its upto £300 a year.

lets start from honest, un-hyperbolic claims so there can be real change. want to raise more from the wealthy? lets remove high rate pension relief, introduce flat(er) tax system to reduce all the silly loopholes.

 

[Bozza]

You can also ask Giraffe about his shocking misogynistic views on businesswomen #Tory

The Misogynist Party. #Labour

"In October, as the Harvey Weinstein story broke, a group of long-serving and disheartened Labour women were recounting their stories of harassment and misogyny in the party, and LabourToo was born.

Many of us have spent years speaking about the need for the Labour party to break down barriers for women who want to succeed in public life. But again and again we’ve run into barriers along the way. Our experiences over decades point to a culture that tolerates the routine dismissal of women’s encounters with abuse, and gives little redress to victims seeking justice from mainly senior male perpetrators."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/28/labour-party-problem-women-abuse-harassment

Has anyone got a tally on women party leaders Conservative v Labour? Anyone?

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

still no other tax cut reported. looks like you are refering to the combined effects of the increased basic and higher rate tax thresholds, and infer that "wealthy" means anyone at around average earnings or above. (also, that graph doesnt match your 80% stat, as every houshold from the 4th decile is net beneficary).

The income tax cut for the wealthy is one of the most emblematic budget changes of recent years, but it’s far from the only tax giveaway. The government has also slashed corporation tax while consistently failing to act on large-scale industrial levels of tax avoidance, which was brought to our attention by the Paradise Papers.

The truth is, we were never “all in it together”. There was an alternative that was avoided in favour of austerity, which was a political choice serving one group in society over another.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You can also ask Giraffe about his shocking misogynistic views on all women #Tory

Corrected for you.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

The Misogynist Party. #Labour

"In October, as the Harvey Weinstein story broke, a group of long-serving and disheartened Labour women were recounting their stories of harassment and misogyny in the party, and LabourToo was born.

Many of us have spent years speaking about the need for the Labour party to break down barriers for women who want to succeed in public life. But again and again we’ve run into barriers along the way. Our experiences over decades point to a culture that tolerates the routine dismissal of women’s encounters with abuse, and gives little redress to victims seeking justice from mainly senior male perpetrators."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/28/labour-party-problem-women-abuse-harassment

Has anyone got a tally on women party leaders Conservative v Labour? Anyone?

Didn’t May pass the ‘rape clause’? Very ‘pro woman’ That. And were the same people ‘concerned’ about women in the Labour Party the same that attacked Abbott relentlessly on a very personal level?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Special report on local news down here tonight, reporter going around in a car with the Plymouth Rozzers.
One third of their jobs are dealing with 999 calls for people with mental health problems, they find them and then take them to hospital until they are eventually seen to, then there is nowhere for them to go as the stupidly small mental health wards are full up.
We have one mental health ward for children for the whole of Devon & Cornwall which has, wait for it, 12 beds.
Most end up in places like Manchester.
All this sometimes leaves just 1 cop car dealing with crime.
Unbelievable stuff.

Sounds like exactly the same problems I had with my dad, no beds and that was under a labour government. And my grandmother being stuck on a trolley outside A&E for 12 hours because they didn't have enough beds, that was under labour too. What I'm saying is they are all the same. Whoever runs this country there will always be problems in certain areas.

 

[timbha]

The Misogynist Party. #Labour

Has anyone got a tally on women party leaders Conservative v Labour? Anyone?

Tories 2 (M Thatcher, T May)
Labour 1 (C Blair)

 

[BensGrandad]

I must be very fortunate living in Haywards Heath as i havent personally experienced any of the point raised by MR. I am very pleased and impressed with the school that my grandchildren attend, Warden Park Primary Academy and both wife and I are well satisfied with the service we have received, when needed, by Princess Royal Hospital.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I must be very fortunate living in Haywards Heath as i havent personally experienced any of the point raised by MR. I am very pleased and impressed with the school that my grandchildren attend, Warden Park Primary Academy and both wife and I are well satisfied with the service we have received, when needed, by Princess Royal Hospital.

My mum was in and out of hospital last year, the care was excellent.