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clapham_gull

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Aug 20, 2003
25,877
This next election could be future-of-the-country-defining.

They all are for better or worse. There has been only been two game changers in my lifetime. Thatcher 1979, and Blair in 1997.

The rest were a bit rubbish. You've either got a very dominant party with the opposition in tatters or the end of administration waiting for next one to come in.

Labour will win the next election and probably be in for decade. Eventually they will f*** up and the Tories will be back in
 




Greg Bobkin

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May 22, 2012
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They all are for better or worse. There has been only been two game changers in my lifetime. Thatcher 1979, and Blair in 1997.

The rest were a bit rubbish. You've either got a very dominant party with the opposition in tatters or the end of administration waiting for next one to come in.

Labour will win the next election and probably be in for decade. Eventually they will f*** up and the Tories will be back in
Yep, it's the circle of strife!
 




ROSM

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Dec 26, 2005
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Just far enough away from LDC
Minister claims Abdul Ezedi case shows 'credulous clerics and lefty lawyers' are helping people abuse asylum system

Andrew Griffith, the science minister, made the comment this morning in the light of revelations about how Abdul Ezedi, the man accused of being responsible for the Clapham chemical attack, came to be granted asylum.
On sky he also used the phrase that 'lefty lawyers were grooming asylum seekers'

Which, given the importamce of words, you would expect the MP for arundel to know better than that.

Reality is that he does know, but he says it anyway
 


JBizzle

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Apr 18, 2010
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Seaford
On sky he also used the phrase that 'lefty lawyers were grooming asylum seekers'

Which, given the importamce of words, you would expect the MP for arundel to know better than that.

Reality is that he does know, but he says it anyway
The law is, of course, famously left-wing, as are lawyers
 




Audax

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Aug 3, 2015
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Uckfield
In my road, last year, they botched up a pothole - but didn't repair another pothole not 10 feet away from the one they did repair. They sent a highways team out last week to repair a slightly broken kerb stone. They left without repairing a huge pothole on a busy junction which was a yard, if not less, from the kerbstone which they prioritised.

It's similar here in East Sussex (Uckfield). One of the roads near me has a long stretch that's been breaking up for a while. They keep coming back and doing bodge job fixes and ignoring other bits that are clearly going to need repair imminently as well. They did at least finally give in and properly patch repair part of it ... but when they did they left an area about 2 metres long between patches that had already started to break up. It's a nice long, narrow divot in the surface now, with loose material in it, that would be extremely dangerous for any motorcyclist who doesn't see it for any reason. Was expecting it to be repaired the other day when I saw a crew out filling a much smaller pothole nearby ... but nope, it's still there.

Edit: Eff me, it gets worse. The long pothole ... they're aware of it, it was inspected on the 22nd, confirmed to be repaired "within 28 days". Guess what? It was the 22nd that I saw the work crew there repairing the other hole. Why they didn't just do it while they were there I don't know - surely it would have been cheaper to just do it while there if the inspection said it needed to be done?
 


WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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They all are for better or worse. There has been only been two game changers in my lifetime. Thatcher 1979, and Blair in 1997.

The rest were a bit rubbish. You've either got a very dominant party with the opposition in tatters or the end of administration waiting for next one to come in.

Labour will win the next election and probably be in for decade. Eventually they will f*** up and the Tories will be back in

Although I agree with the rest of the post, for me sadly, I think 2019 rates up there with the other two biggest game changers in terms of long term effects on Britain, albeit in a far shorter timescale :down:
 


Peteinblack

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Jun 3, 2004
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Bath, Somerset.
But its worse than that, 1 in 5 want more of the same and another 1 in 7 are convinced Farage's latest iteration will somehow be our saviour.

I just really hope its the UK is the first western country to properly bin populism and it isn't just a brief rest bite before another bunch of grifters become the flavour of the month.

It really does feel at times that we are addicted to self harm.
The growing support for Reform UK is actually frightening - people who think that the Tories are not Right-wing, nasty or toxic enough.

Or who think that what Britain really needs is more of the same policies as pursued since 2010, but implemented 10 x more cruelly and aggressively.

I fear we are blindly following Trumpian America down the dystopian rabbit-hole.
 




Bob!

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Jul 5, 2003
11,638
It's similar here in East Sussex (Uckfield). One of the roads near me has a long stretch that's been breaking up for a while. They keep coming back and doing bodge job fixes and ignoring other bits that are clearly going to need repair imminently as well. They did at least finally give in and properly patch repair part of it ... but when they did they left an area about 2 metres long between patches that had already started to break up. It's a nice long, narrow divot in the surface now, with loose material in it, that would be extremely dangerous for any motorcyclist who doesn't see it for any reason. Was expecting it to be repaired the other day when I saw a crew out filling a much smaller pothole nearby ... but nope, it's still there.

Edit: Eff me, it gets worse. The long pothole ... they're aware of it, it was inspected on the 22nd, confirmed to be repaired "within 28 days". Guess what? It was the 22nd that I saw the work crew there repairing the other hole. Why they didn't just do it while they were there I don't know - surely it would have been cheaper to just do it while there if the inspection said it needed to be done?

That's Privatisation for you.
The Road Maintenance Company aren't going to do any work until they have the payment authorised.

If it was still with the council the workers would be able to use initiative and do the job.

It's all about making money for the shareholders now.
 




rippleman

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Oct 18, 2011
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It's similar here in East Sussex (Uckfield). One of the roads near me has a long stretch that's been breaking up for a while. They keep coming back and doing bodge job fixes and ignoring other bits that are clearly going to need repair imminently as well. They did at least finally give in and properly patch repair part of it ... but when they did they left an area about 2 metres long between patches that had already started to break up. It's a nice long, narrow divot in the surface now, with loose material in it, that would be extremely dangerous for any motorcyclist who doesn't see it for any reason. Was expecting it to be repaired the other day when I saw a crew out filling a much smaller pothole nearby ... but nope, it's still there.

Edit: Eff me, it gets worse. The long pothole ... they're aware of it, it was inspected on the 22nd, confirmed to be repaired "within 28 days". Guess what? It was the 22nd that I saw the work crew there repairing the other hole. Why they didn't just do it while they were there I don't know - surely it would have been cheaper to just do it while there if the inspection said it needed to be done?
Lions led by donkeys.

The workmen will only be able to complete the repairs that are on their job lists. It is the morons drawing up the job lists who are to blame. The fact the council employs somebody to go round and "colour in" the potholes has always been a mystery to me. What a waste of money. I've seen potholes coloured in where the paint has disappeared before a repair is made.

The potholes in Worthing are the responsibility of WSCC (as opposed to the Town Council). West Sussex CC is........stand by for no surprise whatsover......Tory.

If the potholes get much worse, The Clamp won't need his digger. We can plough the Tories straight into the potholes :lol:
 




Tubby Mondays

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Dec 8, 2005
3,117
A Crack House
They all are for better or worse. There has been only been two game changers in my lifetime. Thatcher 1979, and Blair in 1997.

The rest were a bit rubbish. You've either got a very dominant party with the opposition in tatters or the end of administration waiting for next one to come in.

Labour will win the next election and probably be in for decade. Eventually they will f*** up and the Tories will be back in
Two things on this spring to mind.

1) Given the scorched earth policy that the Tories are leaving behind it will take longer than one parliamentary term to put right and people might not have the patience to give them a second term.
2) It neednt get into that cycle if parties could work out how to regenerate their leadership and front benches whilst in positions of strength, rather than wait for them to get totally exhausted and disliked by the public leading to them losing elections. Clearly if a party changes leadership whilst in government the public should have the right to vote on that, if not immediately then in a specified period of time. This might give the new leader a chance to refresh their cabinet and continue in power with public support.

Or maybe not.
 


TomandJerry

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Oct 1, 2013
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The growing support for Reform UK is actually frightening - people who think that the Tories are not Right-wing, nasty or toxic enough.

Or who think that what Britain really needs is more of the same policies as pursued since 2010, but implemented 10 x more cruelly and aggressively.

I fear we are blindly following Trumpian America down the dystopian rabbit-hole.
 








A1X

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Sep 1, 2017
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Deepest, darkest Sussex
 




A1X

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Deepest, darkest Sussex
 






clapham_gull

Legacy Fan
Aug 20, 2003
25,877
The growing support for Reform UK is actually frightening

My take on it is that Labour's lead is not all but somewhat down to the Tories gains in the North self destructing and moving to vote reform.

Those are somewhat lost votes to both major parties, but have negatively affected the Tories more than Labour.

However I'd put money on that 16% won't result in many seats. The best chance the Tories have to cling on is some form of coalition but no other party will touch them with a barge poll.
 


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