[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[The Clamp]

Part of me thinks they’ll just want to hang tough and see what happens at the GE.

We have a history of voting against our own best interests.

And you know what? Don’t rule them out winning.

 

[Bodian]

A GE will let them off the hook. A bit like getting sacked from your shop job before they find out you’ve been munching all the Curly Wurly’s.

And they will then spend the next five years blaming Labour for all the stuff that comes out of the woodwork, and the consequences of their own actions.

 

[MJsGhost]

I wouldn’t put it past them to try and swap leader again

I hope they do.

It would go from landslide to complete and utter annihilation.

Which would be nice.

 

[The Clamp]

I can imagine Sunak and his cronies will turn on the electorate if they are slung out. Lots of;

“You should have given us more time”
Etc

Yeah, go on, get in your ditch.

 

[beorhthelm]

I agree that’s what he’ll want, but he governs by the grace of a party who are all watching him closely and openly sharpening their knives.

If he so much as feels a movement of air behind him he’ll push the election button. Not because that’s what he wants, but because they can’t then swap him out and retain the vaguest semblance of being a functional, electable political party.

yes, reckon he'd rather face the country than another leadership election.

 

[Bodian]

Not being quite honest and open....

 

[TomandJerry]

Rishi Sunak has insisted that his government can afford to cut taxes, despite the country having entered a recession, because “economic conditions have improved”.

 

[Stat Brother]

The great man himself

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

The 'shy tory'.

Yes, there are millions of voters who will vote tory and would prefer to not admit it.

I would imagine they are the sort of people who, if they found a wallet on the street with money in it, would keep it.

I'm not sure they are as much shy as ashamed of themselves. They know they are doing something which might case them some good individually but collectively disastrous for society. They know that the real reasons they do it, they don't like brown people, they are well off enough not to need the NHS or local services, so don't mind if they go to ruin are unsayable in public, so they come up with implausible excuses, such as they can't vote labour, because there were power cuts in the 70s.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Rishi Sunak has insisted that his government can afford to cut taxes, despite the country having entered a recession, because “economic conditions have improved”.

Tax cuts now, really are the last ditch gambits of all last ditch gambits.

Not a single sensible person thinks that now is a sensible time, or that the economy can withstand a pre election giveaway. Yet they continue to think about themselves. They continue to salt the earth for the incoming labour party

 

[TomandJerry]

Tax cuts now, really are the last ditch gambits of all last ditch gambits.

Not a single sensible person thinks that now is a sensible time, or that the economy can withstand a pre election giveaway. Yet they continue to think about themselves. They continue to salt the earth for the incoming labour party

Problem is, is that if they win the election they will have to implement the tax cuts ...

 

[Audax]

Labour should be extremely worried that people are not enthused enough to come out and vote for them yet

Personally think this is a lazy narrative from the press. By-elections typically have lower turn out, there's nothing unusual in that. Neither of yesterday's turnouts are anywhere near the list of lowest by-election turnouts, and aren't even low by the standards of the current parliament (there were 3 in 2022 that were substantially lower (under 30%, Southend West at 24%).

Edit: found a good source. Average by-election turnout between 1979 and 2022 was a tickle over 50%. But there's a graph with that data that shows it's closer to 40% if you change that time slice to be 1998(ish) through 2022. So while yesterday's turnouts are slightly lower than average, they aren't that much lower - and they certainly aren't the lowest in the current parliamentary cycle. Personally don't see anything noteworthy in these two being sub-40% turnouts. In fact, looking at the last 15 by-elections over 2022 to now (15 ... Eff me, that in itself tells us how bad the Tories have been):

Average turnout: 37.88% (probably slightly down on that 98-22 average, I suspect)
Median turnout: 38%
Std Dev: 7.8

So ... nothing remarkable about yesterday's turnouts, IMO. Standard fair for by-elections in recent history (and by that I mean 98-22).

 

[The Clamp]

The great man himself

I wish reporters would call that **** out on his continuous lie that Starmer doesn’t have a plan.
It’s on their website for all to see.

How does he manage to find the only North Face jacket that looks like my grandad would have worn it down the Trades and Labour club circa 1973?

 

[mikeyjh]

It is but the Bone and his girlfriend business doesn't apply to Kingswood. Perhaps I am posting on the wrong thread but I would think that Labour should be extremely worried that people are not enthused enough to come out and vote for them yet.

There are many expressions that we may use to describe the mood of the Labour party after last nights huge swing toward them. I doubt that 'extremely worried' is among the first that many people would reach for.

 

[KZNSeagull]

There are many expressions that we may use to describe the mood of the Labour party after last nights huge swing toward them. I doubt that 'extremely worried' is among the first that many people would reach for.

More fool them if they think that it was a huge swing to them. It was a massive swing away from the Conservatives and towards those who couldn't give a damn, just like all the recent by-elections. That should worry all the parties.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

More fool them if they think that it was a huge swing to them. It was a massive swing away from the Conservatives and towards those who couldn't give a damn, just like all the recent by-elections. That should worry all the parties.

I don't think many of the recent by-elections have been in seats Labour will be targeting in a General Election. It wouldn't be surprising if they switched back to the Conservatives with a higher turnout at the GE, and it probably wouldn't matter that much in the scheme of things either.

 

[Acker79]

We’re in a recession. It’s not going well.

UK economy joins the Wokerati

The UK economy has officially joined the ranks of the “Wokerati,” after plunging into recession in the fourth quarter of 2023 as it reportedly spent too little time on economically prod…

newsthump.com

 

[TomandJerry]

UK economy joins the Wokerati

The UK economy has officially joined the ranks of the “Wokerati,” after plunging into recession in the fourth quarter of 2023 as it reportedly spent too little time on economically prod…

newsthump.com

"
However, business leaders have found time to talk, with one telling us, “It’s pretty simple, the government has created an increasingly hostile environment in which it’s increasingly difficult to thrive.

“From the last PM almost bankrupting the entire nation, to the current one doing nothing to mitigate the issue of them introducing trade barriers with our closest and biggest trade partners.

“Asking why we’re in recession would be like asking a sprinter why he came last after tying his shoelaces together.

“It’s absolutely f**king obvious to everyone who isn’t wearing a blue rosette.”"

 

[abc]

That’s an interesting one, isn’t it? Some could argue that the right to political indifference is the very soul of democracy.

I sort of agree with you but I think there is a difference between 'indifferent because I choose to be', compared to 'indifferent because I feel disenfranchised and don't have any faith in the democratic system or the people in charge of it

 

[A1X]

SEND THEM BACK
PROTECT OUR BORDERS
NO NEW TAXES
STOP THE SCROUNGERS
GENDER CANNOT CHANGE
LABOUR ISN'T WORKING
OVEN READY DEAL
LIFE MEANS LIFE
WHAT ABOUT CORBYN
RELEASE THE BATS

WHERE’S PERCY TAU