[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[vegster]

Everyone knows the Tories are screwed. They deserve the boot. Starmer only has to stay schtum to walk the election. But then what? His leadership is built on sand. Hasn’t got a single point to make about the big issues except ‘we’re not the Tories’. He’ll be toast in 18 months

I hear you....Remember, if Starmer comes up with anything too specific as a policy it will either be stolen by the Tories or the full might of Tufton St, Fleet St and the right wing, viewer free, TV stations will shred it looking for attack lines.

Remember, the Tories are fire proof despite the corruption and lies but, if Starmer were to put a penny on Income Tax and spend it all on efforts to reduce poverty, even that would be twisted in to some kind of wastefulness.

 

[rippleman]

These guys could be in trouble next time then.

Redirect Notice

I've seen worse!!
A raid in Worthing few years back when the police mistook a painball gun for an AK47 (it was in someones home not out in the streets) and the coppers were in plain clothes wearing a "police" baseball cap and scarves / masks pulled up over their faces - and carrying guns. At least in your pic they are identifiable by their uniform numbers.

 

[rippleman]

No need to wear a mask on a March or protest if you’re not planning on doing anything illegal.

No need to wear a mask when on the bus, out shopping or driving a car - but there are still quite a few who do it!

 

[MJsGhost]

Yes - but the BBC are biased. They shouldn't be allowed to ask difficult questions.

He made his point really clearly (and in a nice manner), but persistently. So much better than the rude, aggressive, shouty egotistic willy-waving of some interviewers/broadcasters. Someone should send a link for this to Newick's most famous resident.

As for Laura Trott

Well and truly flummoxed, but at least she remained civil

 

[rippleman]

He has many points about the big issues and what the Labour Party intends to do about them.

You clearly need to widen your news sources. You seem to have fallen for the “he’s got no plan” lies.

Here you go, his plans for the big issues. And crucially, the desired outcomes and how they plan to get there.

You can disagree with the policies. You can question the outcomes. But you can’t say he has no plans for the issues. In fact, here they are….

Mission-driven government – The Labour Party

Labour has a long-term plan for Britain, with five missions for national renewal.

labour.org.uk

Thank you for that. I was shocked that the discredited and corrupt VIP fast lane was still a thing.

It would therefore seem that Starmer's problem is his inability to get those messages across. I would say that Wes Streeting put in a great performance on QT last night. He is a communicator (as is Burnham A) and that's what you need in a leader of any political party.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

 

[Thunder Bolt]

No need to wear a mask when on the bus, out shopping or driving a car - but there are still quite a few who do it!

I'm waiting for an operation which could be anytime now (I was on standby on Monday) and was asked at my preop assessment if I'd had covid in the last seven weeks.
You can bet your bottom dollar I am going to wear a mask on buses, in the supermarket or even at football.

 

[The Clamp]

Never misses an opportunity to pass the blame.

(Energy prices)

Sunak has no qualms about going this low.

Dig a ditch….

UK PM hits back at Putin’s ‘clearly ridiculous’ Nato expansion claims – Europe live

Rishi Sunak says Europe cannot let Putin’s own expansionism ‘go unchecked’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Randy McNob]

He has many points about the big issues and what the Labour Party intends to do about them.

You clearly need to widen your news sources. You seem to have fallen for the “he’s got no plan” lies.

Here you go, his plans for the big issues. And crucially, the desired outcomes and how they plan to get there.

You can disagree with the policies. You can question the outcomes. But you can’t say he has no plans for the issues. In fact, here they are….

Mission-driven government – The Labour Party

Labour has a long-term plan for Britain, with five missions for national renewal.

labour.org.uk

Why Is it that in the last election Boris Johnson just had to say 3 words, get brexit done, and that was enough to win a landslide, no one questioned his policies on other matters like the NHS and the economy or even precisely how he would actually get brexit done. Yet Starmer seems to be scrutinised over every single detail of his policies were he elected. Double standards. Just proves its easier to get elected on populism and just tell people what they want to hear

 

[Hugo Rune]

Jesus wept

“Darling, there is something I forgot to tell you. I’m afraid it’s going to make you look a trifle stupid. What!”

 

[Bakero]

These days if you wear a mask, you get arrested and thrown in jail.

 

[Stat Brother]

 

[Bodian]

Not quite correct though. The £2.2m wasn't all 'income' for tax purposes. Quite a bit of it was capital gains, which is taxed at a lower rate.

Not saying I approve, but it's a little unfair to compare it to a train driver.

 

[nicko31]

Not quite correct though. The £2.2m wasn't all 'income' for tax purposes. Quite a bit of it was capital gains, which is taxed at a lower rate.

Not saying I approve, but it's a little unfair to compare it to a train driver.

It’s crazy unearned gains have such a low rate, CGT should be same as marginal income tax rate.

If Labour get in, it needs changing

 

[KZNSeagull]

“Darling, there is something I forgot to tell you. I’m afraid it’s going to make you look a trifle stupid. What!”

Does Holly Valance have to agree with everything her husband says or does then?

 

[Stat Brother]

Not quite correct though. The £2.2m wasn't all 'income' for tax purposes. Quite a bit of it was capital gains, which is taxed at a lower rate.

Not saying I approve, but it's a little unfair to compare it to a train driver.

I guess his charitable donations also offset his tax liability.

 

[Bodian]

Does Holly Valance have to agree with everything her husband says or does then?

No. But she did say that we're lefties "until you wake up". So, basically saying her husband is asleep and misguided!

 

[pocketseagull]

Think that's probably more of a reflection of where Labour are currently.

 

[jcdenton08]

More smoke and mirrors and deflection, making “social issues” (which are barely issues except for a tiny minority*) front and centre to distract from the absolute shit show of the economy, immigration, the NHS, housing and a million other more pressing issues for the government to address.

Starmer has done brilliantly as leader not to get drawn into this nonsense so far, why start now? Just shut down the debate, go back to drilling about all the above issues and holding the government to account on all their actual mistakes.

*I am not minimising prejudice that anyone faces. The facts are the 2021 census lists 262,000 trans people in the UK, or 0.5% of the population. In 2022, 4732 hate crimes were committed against trans people. 101,906 racist hate crimes were committed.

The fact is this is classic deflection using the right wing media to stir up a “them and us” sentiment with the gammons and the social justice warriors.

 

[TomandJerry]

Cash-strapped local authorities across the UK took out massive 50-year loans at soaring rates of interest in the aftermath of Liz Truss’s catastrophic mini-budget, according to official figures that reveal more about the long-term cost to the public of her 49 days in office.

Figures from the government’s Debt Management Office show that after the budget on 23 September, 2022, announced by Truss’s chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng, 24 50-year loans of between £590,000 and £40m were taken out by councils at interest rates of up to 4.77 %, over the rest of that year.


During 2023, while rates remained high, a further 29 50-year loans, including one of £80m by Lambeth council at an interest rate of more than 5%, were taken out as local authorities remained under severe financial pressure.

The way councils have been pressured by successive Tory governments to take on more debt and to adopt risky strategies to get by will be highlighted this week in a speech by shadow levelling up secretary Angela Rayner.