[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[nicko31]

So the money now spent on the Rwanda 'Plan' is sufficient to have processed the whole backlog of asylum seekers twice over with money to spare

Rwanda ‘laughing all the way to the bank’ as £290m cost of scheme could have paid for 400,000 asylum claims​

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rwanda-scheme-290m-cost-400000-asylum-claims/

Anyone still trying to claim the asylum seekers 'issue' isn't the result of deliberate Government strategy

That's 3% of Rwanda's GDP, no wonder they're so keen

 

[monty uk]

That's just over £10 per UK taxpayer. Money well spent.

Although it could be considered as a little addition to the foreign aid budget.

Maybe they'll spend some of it on a tourism promotion campaign. Visit Rwanda or something. Gunning for it.

 

[TomandJerry]

ULEZ camera's are being blown up...

"The London mayor’s office has condemned a “grotesquely irresponsible” attack in which a camera enforcing the city’s ultra-low emission zone (Ulez) was damaged with what appeared to be a homemade bomb, saying lives were put at risk."

 

[Pevenseagull]

"illegal immigration" is, sadly, all the Conservatives have left.

Prepare yourself for 'Culture War'


(Needs to be read by the bloke who announced the trailers for Cannon action films from the mid 80s)

 

[nicko31]

ULEZ camera's are being blown up...

"The London mayor’s office has condemned a “grotesquely irresponsible” attack in which a camera enforcing the city’s ultra-low emission zone (Ulez) was damaged with what appeared to be a homemade bomb, saying lives were put at risk."

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Tories have been stoking all this

 

[sparkie]

£290 million.

I'd rather they gave every citizen a £5 food/drink voucher each. Have a beer on Hunt.

 

[Lever]

Good for Grimsby Town FC! https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...n&cvid=3175ff103c184a3593bb8b3519f31d78&ei=25

Some who signed the petition also voiced their dismay, with one writing: “Grimsby Town’s situation is bad enough without that clown making it worse.”

 

[Bodian]

Oh look - the Government have changed the voting system for the London Mayor to a straight 'first past the post' election. Meaning less likelihood of Labour winning through the second preference option. Apparently the previous system was 'over-complicated and confusing'. Apparently voters were totally confused by 'Pick the one you would most like to win, then give a second preference vote to whoever you would like to see win if your favourite doesn't'

Together with almost a million not having the right documents for voter-id - looks increasingly as though it might be a Tory mayor.

Sadiq Khan urges progressives to back him amid concern about new voting system

The London mayor fears most voters are unaware of the change to a first past the post system that may boost the Tory candidate

www.theguardian.com

Elected mayors will be undermined by recent changes to the voting system | Institute for Government

The next London mayoral election will be the first conducted under first past the post.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk

 

[The Clamp]

Oh look - the Government have changed the voting system for the London Mayor to a straight 'first past the post' election. Meaning less likelihood of Labour winning through the second preference option. Apparently the previous system was 'over-complicated and confusing'. Apparently voters were totally confused by 'Pick the one you would most like to win, then give a second preference vote to whoever you would like to see win if your favourite doesn't'

Together with almost a million not having the right documents for voter-id - looks increasingly as though it might be a Tory mayor.

Sadiq Khan urges progressives to back him amid concern about new voting system

The London mayor fears most voters are unaware of the change to a first past the post system that may boost the Tory candidate

www.theguardian.com

Elected mayors will be undermined by recent changes to the voting system | Institute for Government

The next London mayoral election will be the first conducted under first past the post.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk

Scum.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Oh look - the Government have changed the voting system for the London Mayor to a straight 'first past the post' election. Meaning less likelihood of Labour winning through the second preference option. Apparently the previous system was 'over-complicated and confusing'. Apparently voters were totally confused by 'Pick the one you would most like to win, then give a second preference vote to whoever you would like to see win if your favourite doesn't'

Together with almost a million not having the right documents for voter-id - looks increasingly as though it might be a Tory mayor.

Sadiq Khan urges progressives to back him amid concern about new voting system

The London mayor fears most voters are unaware of the change to a first past the post system that may boost the Tory candidate

www.theguardian.com

Elected mayors will be undermined by recent changes to the voting system | Institute for Government

The next London mayoral election will be the first conducted under first past the post.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk

So we can change an electoral system to FPTP by straightforward legislation whenever it suits the government, but any change that might actually lead to more votes having an influence on the outcome can't even be considered because it's "not a priority for most people" and needs to have the shit debated out of it to identify any and every hypothetical flaw that could conceivable arise under literally any situation imaginable?
f***ing bullshit.
Anti-democratic ****s.
Shit-streaked arseholes.

 

[A1X]

Oh look - the Government have changed the voting system for the London Mayor to a straight 'first past the post' election. Meaning less likelihood of Labour winning through the second preference option. Apparently the previous system was 'over-complicated and confusing'. Apparently voters were totally confused by 'Pick the one you would most like to win, then give a second preference vote to whoever you would like to see win if your favourite doesn't'

Together with almost a million not having the right documents for voter-id - looks increasingly as though it might be a Tory mayor.

Sadiq Khan urges progressives to back him amid concern about new voting system

The London mayor fears most voters are unaware of the change to a first past the post system that may boost the Tory candidate

www.theguardian.com

Elected mayors will be undermined by recent changes to the voting system | Institute for Government

The next London mayoral election will be the first conducted under first past the post.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk

Fortunately they seem to have shot their bolt by picking a completely batshit candidate who is getting trounced by Khan in the polls repeatedly. Time to clear up another Tory mess once this mob are kicked into the wilderness where they belong.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

So we can change an electoral system to FPTP by straightforward legislation whenever it suits the government, but any change that might actually lead to more votes having an influence on the outcome can't even be considered because it's "not a priority for most people" and needs to have the shit debated out of it to identify any and every hypothetical flaw that could conceivable arise under literally any situation imaginable?
f***ing bullshit.
Anti-democratic ****s.
Shit-streaked arseholes.

I understand your annoyance but when you are voting for a single post (there will be only one mayor) it has to be first past the post, whether the count is based on one vote per elector or one hundred (transferrable lower preferences).

In the wider franchise, it seems to me that the only 'fair' electoral system these days is one that will guarantee more seats for the greens and liberals. And if you have a second or third preference, and your first preference is labour or tory, the system will give disproportionate reward to the liberals, who are tolerated by labour and tory voters in a way that they don't tolerate one another's party. If we changed the system to one where the winner is the one hated least by the most people, I'm not sure I'd be all that thrilled. Labour and tory voters are dogmatic, so let's settle for a liberal winner? Not for me, Clive.

 

[pocketseagull]

FPTP is a specific voting system so conflating that with SV is just wrong. I'm guessing you're doing so as a specific example of tories switching back to FPTP for electoral advantage makes your pro-FPTP stance a bit uncomfortable?

 

[WATFORD zero]

I can only conclude, from the lack of response, that I have not explained this clearly enough

For processing the total sum of zero 'asylum seekers offshore' we have already paid the Rwandan Government more money than it would cost to process the WHOLE OF THE BACKLOG OF ASYLUM SEEKERS (160,000) TWICE OVER AND THEN SOME IN BRITAIN and had them paying taxes into the British coffers or sent home.

Which knocks the whole but they get given 'benefits, houses, hotels, barges' shit into a cocked hat

 

[clapham_gull]

Oh look - the Government have changed the voting system for the London Mayor to a straight 'first past the post' election. Meaning less likelihood of Labour winning through the second preference option. Apparently the previous system was 'over-complicated and confusing'. Apparently voters were totally confused by 'Pick the one you would most like to win, then give a second preference vote to whoever you would like to see win if your favourite doesn't'

Together with almost a million not having the right documents for voter-id - looks increasingly as though it might be a Tory mayor.

Sadiq Khan urges progressives to back him amid concern about new voting system

The London mayor fears most voters are unaware of the change to a first past the post system that may boost the Tory candidate

www.theguardian.com

Elected mayors will be undermined by recent changes to the voting system | Institute for Government

The next London mayoral election will be the first conducted under first past the post.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk

The Tory candidate is by far the worst they have ever come up with and they are 25 points behind in the polls.

My hunch at the moment their plan has backfired and Khan will end up with a larger majority than last time.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

I understand your annoyance but when you are voting for a single post (there will be only one mayor) it has to be first past the post, whether the count is based on one vote per elector or one hundred (transferrable lower preferences).

This would be a reasonable position, if the post hadn't been successfully elected without major debate under a supplementary vote system for many years.

In the wider franchise, it seems to me that the only 'fair' electoral system these days is one that will guarantee more seats for the greens and liberals. And if you have a second or third preference, and your first preference is labour or tory, the system will give disproportionate reward to the liberals, who are tolerated by labour and tory voters in a way that they don't tolerate one another's party. If we changed the system to one where the winner is the one hated least by the most people, I'm not sure I'd be all that thrilled. Labour and tory voters are dogmatic, so let's settle for a liberal winner? Not for me, Clive.

A fair system wouldn't disregard every vote bar those for the winning candidate, up to the number who voted for the second placed candidate plus 1.
To be clear, I am not a member of the Lib Dems and have no intention of voting for them.

 

[clapham_gull]

The Tory candidate is by far the worst they have ever come up with and they are 25 points behind in the polls.

My hunch at the moment their plan has backfired and Khan will end up with a larger majority than last time.

The Tory approach to the London Mayoral elections had been odd for years. After Cameron/Johnson I'm of the firm belief they are unwilling to have a London Mayor who could challenge the current PM in the future.

They see the post as a potential threat.

It's also quite a good measure of the future "talent" available to the party. It's completely non existent.

 

[nicko31]

Scum.

We can’t be complacent about the next GE, the vote has already been compromised by the Tories, Labour will need to win big.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

This would be a reasonable position, if the post hadn't been successfully elected without major debate under a supplementary vote system for many years.

A fair system wouldn't disregard every vote bar those for the winning candidate, up to the number who voted for the second placed candidate plus 1.
To be clear, I am not a member of the Lib Dems and have no intention of voting for them.

You take my point about elections where there can be only one 'winner' (like Mayor or, in our system, the local MP) though, right?

 

[KZNSeagull]

"Anyone who understands this bill knows it is not going to work": R Jenrick on Kuenssberg re the Rwanda bill.