[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Acker79]

I'm sure someone will be along shortly to explain this is a special type of hammer or task for which this is an appropriate technique... right?

EDIT:

Tweet has been deleted. Because it was an advised technique:

 

[Guinness Boy]

I'm sure someone will be along shortly to explain this is a special type of hammer or task for which this is an appropriate technique... right?

Holy shit! (hole)

 

[CheeseRolls]

Loved this one from Cold War Steve. Perfectly sums up press relations. Nail on the head, unless you are Rishi of course.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Is Stockton North a shit hole or not? I don’t know, I cannot recall ever going there.

Not really, it covers Stockton (basically fine town for it's size, has the widest high street in Britain), Billingham (which has a football team and cricket team named after the artificial fertiliser they make/made there), and some inoffensive countryside.
There are obviously nicer places, and clearly more prosperous places, but there's plenty of places higher up my "christ, this is a shithole" list.

Anyway, as has been established elsewhere, it's not really the point.

 

[BLOCK F]

difference being, of course, that none of us are the HOME SECRETARY

Probably just as well!
A nightmare job, whatever one’s political colours.

 

[rogersix]

One would hope that ‘lessons are being learnt’ by politicians, boffins, NHS and civil servants. If not, what is the point of an enquiry taking up God knows how much time, except to point the fingers of blame?
I don’t think you can remove the decision making process from the politicians. As our elected representatives, it is their job to make these decisions. Thankfully, (or hopefully), we won’t see the likes of another Boris Johnson in the top seat for the foreseeable!

the politicians would have to justify why they have gone against received wisdom. Blimey, your last point, you've blanked trussterfuk already? i wish i could forget so easily

 

[BLOCK F]

the politicians would have to justify why they have gone against received wisdom. Blimey, your last point, you've blanked trussterfuk already? i wish i could forget so easily

Well, we were discussing Covid times and decisions that is why I made my remark re Johnson. As for Trussterfuk, thankfully, Mad Liz wasn’t around long enough to completely wreck the economy, but she did have a good go.
The main point I was making was that our elected representatives should be the decision makers and as I said in a previous post, they have to weigh up the bald advice given to them by the ‘boffins’ and set that against all the other factors involved……jobs, the economy, mental health, education, social cohesion etc. No easy task for a Government of any political colour. For instance, there are still discussions being had today about the closing down of schools which quite possibly caused more harm to the youngsters involved than Covid did.

 

[Stat Brother]

As said on HIGNFY.

If The Trussatron lives to be 95 years old.
She'd have been to The Cenotaph more times than days spent as PM

 

[Nobby]

Well, we were discussing Covid times and decisions that is why I made my remark re Johnson. As for Trussterfuk, thankfully, Mad Liz wasn’t around long enough to completely wreck the economy, but she did have a good go.
The main point I was making was that our elected representatives should be the decision makers and as I said in a previous post, they have to weigh up the bald advice given to them by the ‘boffins’ and set that against all the other factors involved……jobs, the economy, mental health, education, social cohesion etc. No easy task for a Government of any political colour. For instance, there are still discussions being had today about the closing down of schools which quite possibly caused more harm to the youngsters involved than Covid did.

Yep it needed the best politicians possible in charge (if there are any)
We got the very worst of the lot ever

 

[WATFORD zero]

Well, we were discussing Covid times and decisions that is why I made my remark re Johnson. As for Trussterfuk, thankfully, Mad Liz wasn’t around long enough to completely wreck the economy, but she did have a good go.
The main point I was making was that our elected representatives should be the decision makers and as I said in a previous post, they have to weigh up the bald advice given to them by the ‘boffins’ and set that against all the other factors involved……jobs, the economy, mental health, education, social cohesion etc. No easy task for a Government of any political colour. For instance, there are still discussions being had today about the closing down of schools which quite possibly caused more harm to the youngsters involved than Covid did.

Just a shame that the country decided we no longer needed experts in 2019 and elected a Cabal that would totally ignore all and any advice given to them for the first time in my lifetime, unless of course, they could use it to shift responsibility and blame. 'We are led by the Science' as Johnson, Cummings and co were far too busy indulging in a self confessed 'narcissistic orgy' to do any leading.

So what are we 'led by' now, the Economics ?

 

[BLOCK F]

Just a shame that the country decided we no longer needed experts in 2019 and elected a Cabal that would totally ignore all and any advice given to them for the first time in my lifetime, unless of course, they could use it to shift responsibility and blame. 'We are led by the Science' as Johnson, Cummings and co were far too busy indulging in a self confessed 'narcissistic orgy'.

So what are we 'led by' now, the Economics ?

‘Totally ignore all and any advice given to them.’
Not strictly true, Watford, or did I imagine lockdowns, masks, social distancing, closure of businesses, schools, etc.?
You don’t have to exaggerate to make clear your low regard for this Government. Plenty of people agree with you, including me.
PS. I’m not sure the country ever decided we no longer needed experts. By the way, cast your mind back to the 2019 election , the choice was between Johnson and Corbyn, neither the ideal candidate for PM. Just imagine if Corbyn had been PM , he could have employed his nutty brother Piers as a Covid adviser. That would have ended well, wouldn’t it!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Is Stockton North a shit hole or not? I don’t know, I cannot recall ever going there.
Yes, whatever ‘Not so’ said, he shouldn’t have said it, but hey, shit hole shouldn’t come as too much of a shock to us NSC’ers, it is often used (or similar language) on here to describe places we’ve been to and grounds we don’t like.
I can’t get shock horrored about it I’m afraid.

Yes but nobody on NSC is an elected politician.

(well, almost nobody).

 

[WATFORD zero]

‘Totally ignore all and any advice given to them.’
Not strictly true, Watford, or did I imagine lockdowns, masks, social distancing, closure of businesses, schools, etc.?
You don’t have to exaggerate to make clear your low regard for this Government. Plenty of people agree with you, including me.

Personally, I believe (and as the COVID enquiry is proving on a daily basis), that those measures, when eventually forced, were more about saving their position in power than saving the nation. There was that famous Friday night lockdown leak by either Sunak, Hancock or Gove because they knew that by Saturday morning Carrie would have reversed it.

But I know we that agree on far more than we disagree on

 

[WATFORD zero]

Yes but nobody on NSC is an elected politician.

(well, almost nobody).

NSC, enough to make even an elected politician flounce

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

‘Totally ignore all and any advice given to them.’
Not strictly true, Watford, or did I imagine lockdowns, masks, social distancing, closure of businesses, schools, etc.?
You don’t have to exaggerate to make clear your low regard for this Government. Plenty of people agree with you, including me.
PS. I’m not sure the country ever decided we no longer needed experts. By the way, cast your mind back to the 2019 election , the choice was between Johnson and Corbyn, neither the ideal candidate for PM. Just imagine if Corbyn had been PM , he could have employed his nutty brother Piers as a Covid adviser. That would have ended well, wouldn’t it!

Yes but every time, Johnson waited a week to implement action. That started with flights, 'banned from some time next week' through to the 'lockdown' itself.

Johnson was a ditherer who is famously described by a civil servant (recent inquiry) as someone who would listen to 12 bits of advice and go with whatever was said last (because that's all he could remember).

It think that totally ignoring all the critical advice (i.e., to do X now) is a fair assessment.

I also wonder who thought that locking people in care homes and allowing minimum wage staff (in particular outsourced cleaners) to circulate between care homes was anything other than sentencing old people to death. I am not saying it was deliberate, certainly not. But it was gross incompetence, with a bunch of absolute wrong-uns, especially Johnson and Handoncock 'leading', people who saw the whole thing as a narcissistic adventure and an opportunity for 'rebalancing' tax payers' money into the pockets of cronies, while scoping around for another shag.

 

[Baldseagull]

Yes but every time, Johnson waited a week to implement action. That started with flights, 'banned from some time next week' through to the 'lockdown' itself.

Johnson was a ditherer who is famously described by a civil servant (recent inquiry) as someone who would listen to 12 bits of advice and go with whatever was said last (because that's all he could remember).

It think that totally ignoring all the critical advice (i.e., to do X now) is a fair assessment.

I also wonder who thought that locking people in care homes and allowing minimum wage staff (in particular outsourced cleaners) to circulate between care homes was anything other than sentencing old people to death. I am not saying it was deliberate, certainly not. But it was gross incompetence, with a bunch of absolute wrong-uns, especially Johnson and Handoncock 'leading', people who saw the whole thing as a narcissistic adventure and an opportunity for 'rebalancing' tax payers' money into the pockets of cronies, while scoping around for another shag.

I would not be surprised if someone in government saw it as an opportunity to reduce the pension burden, and get a windfall of inheritance tax payouts.

 

[BLOCK F]

Yes but nobody on NSC is an elected politician.

(well, almost nobody).

Maybe not (thank f—k) but there are a lot of faux outrage merchants around the place.
I still can’t get too exercised about it. I am sure many of our elected politicians mutter all kinds of ‘horrible things’ under their breath all the time!
Talking about insults reminds me of Churchill’s retort to Nancy Astor or was it Bessie Braddock, involving drink and ugliness. Now that was class

 

[BLOCK F]

Yes but every time, Johnson waited a week to implement action. That started with flights, 'banned from some time next week' through to the 'lockdown' itself.

Johnson was a ditherer who is famously described by a civil servant (recent inquiry) as someone who would listen to 12 bits of advice and go with whatever was said last (because that's all he could remember).

It think that totally ignoring all the critical advice (i.e., to do X now) is a fair assessment.

I also wonder who thought that locking people in care homes and allowing minimum wage staff (in particular outsourced cleaners) to circulate between care homes was anything other than sentencing old people to death. I am not saying it was deliberate, certainly not. But it was gross incompetence, with a bunch of absolute wrong-uns, especially Johnson and Handoncock 'leading', people who saw the whole thing as a narcissistic adventure and an opportunity for 'rebalancing' tax payers' money into the pockets of cronies, while scoping around for another shag.

Yes, of course Johnson and the Government made mistakes, but to say he ignored all the advice he was given is wrong.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Yes, of course Johnson and the Government made mistakes, but to say he ignored all the advice he was given is wrong.

Well I understand that he never ignored Carrie's advice again after THAT fight in his flat

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yes, of course Johnson and the Government made mistakes, but to say he ignored all the advice he was given is wrong.

I said he never acted immediately on advice that obviously required an immediate response, which is tantamount to ignoring it when you consider the consequences.

This is not a simply mistake, or judicious caution. It was phenotypical dithering, with catestrophic consequences.

You may have noticed I like an analogy. Imagine being advised that it is likely to shit down with rain for the next few days. Would it make sense to make a commitment to bring the laundry in off the washing line in a day or so? (This is a 'low impact' analogy after one I made the other day that invoked Adolf Hitler wasn't met with universal approval.)

Anyway, I don't think either of us have any time for Johnson so we don't really need to discuss what grade of **** he is