Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
90% of all vehicles are exempt, Johnson started ULEZ and Khan extended it.
After all, who wants to breathe clean air?
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After all, who wants to breathe clean air?
I know and I have edited my remark. Of course everyone wants clean air, but I am merely asking was this a fair decision? A number of councils thought not and objected. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but I just wanted to put it out there as an example of a controversial act by the London Mayor.
Busy on Google again?Johnson closing 10 fire stations and losing 552 firefighter, selling off the land was pretty harmful, especially when Grenfell happened three years later.
Boris Johnson slashed fire services - and told Labour rival to 'get stuffed'
He cut 552 firefighters and closed 10 stationsmetro.co.uk
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I don’t need Google. My son is a firefighter.Busy on Google again?
Oh I remember that. I don't have much sympathy with the smoke belchers. This was all signaled years ago, and discussed to death on NSC. It's no good them all acting like Arthur Dent when the Vogons came to demolish the Earth.
Like with much radical change, people initially squeel about it not being fair. Drink driving laws, seatbelts....its largely the same sorts moaning about ULEZ. Interestingly the plan was originally introduced by Johnson (I applaud it - see me clapping) and has been extended outwards in stages. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_Low_Emission_Zone)
Headlines like these (below) would just make me want to vote for Khan:
You seem to think that fairness (if not yer actual 'right and wrong') is defined by the opinion of one council. Perhaps you're right. The council after all is democratically elected and can speak for its council tax payers. That said, it is a council, not an autonomous entity like Rotherweird or Narnia. There are other organizations of government above it, and it does not have much if any say in matters that affect the wider community. We can all understand that.
I remember the 1981 'fairs fare' scheme introduced by the GLC in the early 90s. My weekly tube fair from Edgware to Tottenham Court Road was halved. Then one council among the many in the GLC said 'this is not fair'. This council went to court over it because they don't have a tube station (their overground is now part of TFL of course, but it wasn't then). Yes it was Bromley. A high court Judge (one of the wankers who banged up the non-IRA non-terrorists I think it was) ruled in favour of Bromley, and my tube fare was more than doubled. The democratic vote of most of the rest of us who elected the labour GLC was ignored. Fair?
Given that the 1981 plan was brought in by Labour (Livingstone in fact) whereas Bromley is True Blue, the whole thing was a political stitch up. As we know, the Labour GLC was such an existential threat to Thatcher she abolished it. Was that fair? Not bloody likely.
So is it fair for Hillingdon or whoever it is to demand removal of a scheme introduced by the elected Mayor? I think not.
Not everyone always gets everything they want.
I just checked what thread this is. It is 'tory meltdown'. I'd persuaded myself it had to be 'That Labour Khan bloke, isn't he rubbish?!'.
You're doing a decent job of seeking some 'balance' to the narrative in a tory-hostile moment in time, and being fair and courteous about it but, if we view the discussion as a civilized boxing match I wouldn't say you've landed any punches yet.
So much for my attempt to be generous spirited.Johnson closing 10 fire stations and losing 552 firefighter, selling off the land was pretty harmful, especially when Grenfell happened three years later.
Boris Johnson slashed fire services - and told Labour rival to 'get stuffed'
He cut 552 firefighters and closed 10 stations
No, you're right. Johnson was never anything other than a ****. My apologies
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Interestingly enough I watched this documentary on catch up last night
The clean air act that came in 4 years later caused great financial hardship, but what was the alternative
But, of course, it's different this time
The clean air act that came in 4 years later caused great financial hardship, but what was the alternative
But, of course, it's different this time
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Your quote re the closing of 10 fire stations and the loss of 552 firefighters together with the mention of Grenfell smacks of conflation to me.Johnson closing 10 fire stations and losing 552 firefighter, selling off the land was pretty harmful, especially when Grenfell happened three years later.
Boris Johnson slashed fire services - and told Labour rival to 'get stuffed'
He cut 552 firefighters and closed 10 stations
Your son being a firefighter will no doubt be aware of the main causes of the Grenfell tragedy. As far as I am aware, the closure of fire stations and the loss of the jobs you mention , were not instrumental in the loss of life. I have done some Googling myself on this one and there is a pretty comprehensive summary on Wikipedia.
Way past my time to retire and watch some telly, so I shall not be replying for much longer. However, it is good to have an exchange of views!
Harry,
You would surely never expose yourself to such headlines from disreputable organisations as the Express and GB NEWS, any more than I would!
No need to sensationalise your posts, just say what you mean , like you usually do
I take your point re radical change and squealing, but it is always so much easier to accept change , when it doesn’t cost / affect one personally , rather like the approach of the British electorate and suggested tax increases etc.
Apologies. I gave three lectures today and an still caught up in the intoxicating octane of my own hubrisHarry,
You would surely never expose yourself to such headlines from disreputable organisations as the Express and GB NEWS, any more than I would!
No need to sensationalise your posts, just say what you mean , like you usually do
I take your point re radical change and squealing, but it is always so much easier to accept change , when it doesn’t cost / affect one personally , rather like the approach of the British electorate and suggested tax increases etc.
TomandJerry
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Liz Truss, the shortest-serving prime minister in British history, who was memorably shown to have a shorter shelf life than a lettuce, has in effect backed Donald Trump in next year’s US presidential election.
Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Truss – who spent just 49 days in No 10 Downing Street before being turfed out by her own Conservative party in large part for pitching the UK economy into crisis – said she wished for a Republican president next.
Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Truss – who spent just 49 days in No 10 Downing Street before being turfed out by her own Conservative party in large part for pitching the UK economy into crisis – said she wished for a Republican president next.
It is sometimes hard to have even landed punches recognised when one is constantly swimming against the tide of political opinion on this forum. Even if one makes a decent point against the prevailing view, it will not be greeted by the usual posters with lovie likes unless they agree with your political viewpoint. This is generally true of both left and right, but as a left view is predominant on here, it is more noticeable.You seem to think that fairness (if not yer actual 'right and wrong') is defined by the opinion of one council. Perhaps you're right. The council after all is democratically elected and can speak for its council tax payers. That said, it is a council, not an autonomous entity like Rotherweird or Narnia. There are other organizations of government above it, and it does not have much if any say in matters that affect the wider community. We can all understand that.
I remember the 1981 'fairs fare' scheme introduced by the GLC in the early 90s. My weekly tube fair from Edgware to Tottenham Court Road was halved. Then one council among the many in the GLC said 'this is not fair'. This council went to court over it because they don't have a tube station (their overground is now part of TFL of course, but it wasn't then). Yes it was Bromley. A high court Judge (one of the wankers who banged up the non-IRA non-terrorists I think it was) ruled in favour of Bromley, and my tube fare was more than doubled. The democratic vote of most of the rest of us who elected the labour GLC was ignored. Fair?
Given that the 1981 plan was brought in by Labour (Livingstone in fact) whereas Bromley is True Blue, the whole thing was a political stitch up. As we know, the Labour GLC was such an existential threat to Thatcher she abolished it. Was that fair? Not bloody likely.
So is it fair for Hillingdon or whoever it is to demand removal of a scheme introduced by the elected Mayor? I think not.
Not everyone always gets everything they want.
I just checked what thread this is. It is 'tory meltdown'. I'd persuaded myself it had to be 'That Labour Khan bloke, isn't he rubbish?!'.
You're doing a decent job of seeking some 'balance' to the narrative in a tory-hostile moment in time, and being fair and courteous about it but, if we view the discussion as a civilized boxing match I wouldn't say you've landed any punches yet.
No, I haven’t landed any effective punches on this particular sub topic, but you can’t win ‘em all. Anyway, It is always a tough gig for a centre righty on NSC, I would never expect an easy ride.
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It is always a tough gig for a centre righty on NSC, I would never expect an easy ride.
I believe that the term for this has been, for the last 5 years, Homeless
The centre right is important. Don't let the b'stards (like me) grind you downIt is sometimes hard to have even landed punches recognised when one is constantly swimming against the tide of political opinion on this forum. Even if one makes a decent point against the prevailing view, it will not be greeted by the usual posters with lovie likes unless they agree with your political viewpoint. This is generally true of both left and right, but as a left view is predominant on here, it is more noticeable.
No, I haven’t landed any effective punches on this particular sub topic, but you can’t win ‘em all. Anyway, It is always a tough gig for a centre righty on NSC, I would never expect an easy ride.
nicko31
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She's crackers
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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The curious case of the Conservative Mayoral candidate's Oyster Card. Leaves tube without wallet and suggests she was pickpocket and "blames" Sadiq Khan.
By the afternoon she's got it back after it had being handed in by a member of the general public who had spotted it on a carriage seat.
.. with the money still there.
BROKEN BRITAIN.
By the afternoon she's got it back after it had being handed in by a member of the general public who had spotted it on a carriage seat.
.. with the money still there.
BROKEN BRITAIN.
The Clamp
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Tory MP who chided gambling regulator received £8,000 from betting industry
Hospitality and payments Craig Whittaker has accepted include Madonna tickets worth £2,000 from the Betting & Gaming Council
www.theguardian.com
Corrupt. Unashamed. Criminals.
Dig a ditch.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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Struggling to remember seeing a PM look so uncomfortable at PMQs as I did today.