[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Thunder Bolt]

I don't know if it's the same MP as above.

 

[clapham_gull]

I don't know if it's the same MP as above.

Suella Braverman and her supporters CLEARLY overestimate her popularity.

If there was a leadership contest I'd put my money on James Cleverly

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I can remember seeing established PPE providers in this country, on Twitter, asking why their bids were ignored. Price is irrelevent when the PPE isn't fit for purpose. The government has been proven to have ignored the warnings from Operation Cygnus in October 2016.
You will find my posts on the covid thread going back to 2020 stating exactly this.

Where would they have gotten the PPE from, my betting is China still as that was the only place pumping enough out.

There was stories of one country buying it, being ready to be loaded onto a plane and the US (normally) outbidding them at the last minute and being shipped off to them.

The Government ignored all pandemic planning, plus you still can not stockpile it.

The shortage in the UK was of course made worse by twats buying it all in for private use

Instead of cool heads, leaders went into complete meltdown

 

[Machiavelli]

Well. This is just a few idiots flexing their non-existent muscles.
The Tories are not going to embark on their third leadership campaign in little over a year, when an election has to be held within 14 months. They're going to have to wait until after the election to do this. But if they're that impatient, do these idiots (and, note, there have to be 50+ of them) really think that going through a leadership change will endear them to the electorate? Do they think that their new leader will stand a better chance of lasting the next term if that leader gets utterly trounced in a GE?

 

[beorhthelm]

Where would they have gotten the PPE from, my betting is China still as that was the only place pumping enough out.

There was stories of one country buying it, being ready to be loaded onto a plane and the US (normally) outbidding them at the last minute and being shipped off to them.

The Government ignored all pandemic planning, plus you still can not stockpile it.

The shortage in the UK was of course made worse by twats buying it all in for private use

Instead of cool heads, leaders went into complete meltdown

if the factory output hadnt been requisition by the Chinese government. seems alot of amnesia that Covid and problems associated hit every country. suddenly entire supply chains were unavailable, limited, or repurposed. there's a story about shippment of aprons that was rejected because the factory, just re-tooled to make them, wasn't certified. so that PPE sits in the unusable column. this episode exposed shortcomings in supply chains and procurement processes, unfortunatly normal service has resumed so problems remain, instead of some attention on that, we get a stream of how much money may or may not have been spent.

 

[beorhthelm]

Suella Braverman and her supporters CLEARLY overestimate her popularity.

If there was a leadership contest I'd put my money on James Cleverly

some seem to mistake a strong but fringe support for person or policy means widespread acceptance that it's a good idea. loud minority over the quieter majority.

 

[Machiavelli]

some seem to mistake a strong but fringe support for person or policy means widespread acceptance that it's a good idea. loud minority over the quieter majority.

I've been saying something similar, although Braverman certainly seems to have put her foot in it with her resignation statement.
Some are trying to link the resignations from ministerial posts over the past day or two with a wider split. These are primarily those that are either leaving parliament at the next election, or those that are likely to do so. Not sure I'd read too much into those, beyond indicating that it doesn't express too much confidence in their and their party's electoral prospects.

 

[clapham_gull]

Just got in. I was in a central London station railway station food shop tonight when I found myself alongside one of those neo liberal wibbles who have so enriched our lives over the last few years.

Recognising them instantly I did one of those smile nod things you do in London when you unfortunately find yourself in a queue with a neighbour.

In return I was snarled at and not even accidently.

Clearly the individual had experienced a bad couple of days with a Marxist like Cameron returning, but that's it.

I'll never vote Tory again. I'm sorry.

 

[A1X]

They are starting to trickle in

Worth remembering, given the standard of English in this letter, that this woman was an Education minister

 

[clapham_gull]

Worth remembering, given the standard of English in this letter, that this woman was an Education minister

Very odd person. Single finger pointing neo liberal vegetarian anti fox hunting fruitcake.

 

[TomandJerry]

Suella Braverman has launched an astonishing personal attack on Rishi Sunak, describing the prime minister as weak and dishonest and claiming he reneged on promises to push through a series of controversial policy pledges.

In a brutal three-page letter published a day after she was sacked as home secretary, Braverman warned Sunak that she now intends to spearhead a Tory rebellion over the government’s Rwanda plan.


“Someone needs to be honest: your plan is not working, we have endured record election defeats, your resets have failed and we are running out of time. You need to change course urgently,” she wrote.

Dozens of Conservative MPs are poised to demand that the government quits the European convention on human rights, a move resisted by senior cabinet ministers, if the UK’s highest court rules against sending asylum seekers to Rwanda on Wednesday.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

 

[The Clamp]

Genuinely scary.

 

[BrickTamland]

What a mess.

If you voted Tory you are an imbecile and let the country down.

 

[Frutos]

Supreme Court says no to Rwanda.

 

[Simster]

What a mess.

If you voted Tory you are an imbecile and let the country down.

I can't go that far. I have never voted Tory but unfortunately there is a rump of fairly normal people who held their nose and voted Johnson because they just did not trust Corbyn.

However, anyone voting Tory at the next election is quite simply a moron.

 

[The Clamp]

All decent, intelligent, employers will ignore such things if they come to pass. But there’s a lot of bad employers out there.

And whoever does or doesn’t embrace such ridiculous backward steps in rights, the fact that they are no longer enshrined in law, well, that’s very worrying.

Braverman’s plan with the Rwanda solution was to get it outlawed in court and use that as an excuse to bin off the ECHR with the support of all the right wing electorate. Get them to support the scrapping of their own human rights under the guise of ridding our shores of foreigners.

As plans go, it’s up there with the burning of the Reichstag.

Despite her recent sacking she is still trying to rally support for this plan .

 

[The Clamp]

Supreme Court says no to Rwanda.

And Suellas plan is on track.

Although, I’m very glad it is a No.

 

[sparkie]

What a mess.

If you voted Tory you are an imbecile and let the country down.

Sort of. But Corbyn was the main alternative at the time, so there is that mitigation.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sort of. But Corbyn was the main alternative at the time, so there is that mitigation.

And people who believed everything the press said about him. Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t like him, but the media went into overdrive on him.