[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Thunder Bolt]

At least he won’t be sacked for lying in his new job.

It’s mandatory, isn’t it?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Radio 5, 30 seconds ago. If Boris stood again, I would definitely back him 150%

I wonder if we should have a thread of quotes especially for Radio 5 callers who have been let on for 'Balance'

They must have their numbers stored. Ring in tomorrow please, mate.


Meanwhile, in the real world,

 

[nicko31]

Sunak really has demonstrated this week he is naive and weak. Why on earth did he not wait till the committee released its findings on partygate, then decide on Johnson's list?

I didn't realise he gave his hairdresser an OBE. The ultimate V-sign to us all

 

[One Love]

Flicked on the news to see Jacob Rees Mogg being interviewed on the lawns where he looked like he wasn't really there but was a black and white hologram.

Reminded me of Darth Sidious appearing before his apprentice. So from now on he's Darth Mogg to me.

 

[nicko31]

Flicked on the news to see Jacob Rees Mogg being interviewed on the lawns where he looked like he wasn't really there but was a black and white hologram.

Reminded me of Darth Sidious appearing before his apprentice. So from now on he's Darth Mogg to me.

Most of the media acting as though there are 2 sides to this story, there aren't....

When a criminal gets convicted you don't do the rounds asking all the family and friends of the criminal whether they agree with the verdict.

 

[Peteinblack]

Johnson and his sycophantic stooges are behaving just like the bullies I saw in the playground at Boundstone (Lancing) - always expect to get their own way, but if and when anyone stood up to them, they would scream that they were the victims being ganged-up against: "Sir, the other kids are picking on me".

Meanwhile, the bullies' mates would track-down those who had 'grassed' and warn them that they were now going to get beaten-up on the way home from school; "We'll be waiting for you."

It's yet another example of how Johnson and his henchmen - and henchwomen (hello Dorries) - are resorting to the same intimidation tactics as Trump and his 'Proud Boys' in the US.

 

[The Clamp]

Flicked on the news to see Jacob Rees Mogg being interviewed on the lawns where he looked like he wasn't really there but was a black and white hologram.

Reminded me of Darth Sidious appearing before his apprentice. So from now on he's Darth Mogg to me.

I’ve been calling him Darth Mogg on here for years.

 

[pb21]

Most of the media acting as though there are 2 sides to this story, there aren't....

When a criminal gets convicted you don't do the rounds asking all the family and friends of the criminal whether they agree with the verdict.

Harold Shipman probably saved one life

 

[nicko31]

Johnson and his sycophantic stooges are behaving just like the bullies I saw in the playground at Boundstone (Lancing) - always expect to get their own way, but if and when anyone stood up to them, they would scream that they were the victims being ganged-up against: "Sir, the other kids are picking on me".

Meanwhile, the bullies' mates would track-down those who had 'grassed' and warn them that they were now going to get beaten-up on the way home from school; "We'll be waiting for you."

It's yet another example of how Johnson and his henchmen - and henchwomen (hello Dorries) - are resorting to the same intimidation tactics as Trump and his 'Proud Boys' in the US.

I just glad we're not like America (well not yet) where a significant percentage of the population has been radicalised. Most people are not listening to the bullies.

I'd really like a Starmer government to tighten media laws on misinformation. The US went regulation lite on the media during the Reagan era and allowed the likes of Fox News to penetrate the population. Now the gene is out of the bottle not even Fox can put it back in

 

[nicko31]

Harold Shipman probably saved one life

And Saville was too harshly treated, no one took into account his charity efforts and good work for the Conservatives

 

[pb21]

And Saville was too harshly treated, no one took into account his charity efforts and good work for the Conservatives

Rolf Harris painted a lovely portrait of the Queen; two side to every story.

 

[Scappa]

Rolf Harris painted a lovely portrait of the Queen; two side to every story.

A certain Austrian corporal loved his dogs

 

[chickens]

So, for those who’ve succumbed to the myopic cynicism of feeling “they’re all the same” when it comes to politicians, watch the vote on Monday where the Select Committee’s recommendations on Boris Johnson’s punishment for deliberately misleading the house will be made. There will be an easy way to tell whether an MP is competent to be in their job.

1. If an MP votes to implement the punishment handed down by the select committee, then they support and defend Britain’s institutions, and have the right stuff.

2. If they abstain from voting, they fear the backlash from Boris supporting members of their local party, and have placed their personal desire to remain in power ahead of service to their country. They are craven and easily manipulated.

3. If they vote against the select committee’s recommendations, they are as straight as a corkscrew, and not only should they be nowhere near the Houses of Parliament, they should not be trusted in word or deed on any subject under the sun. These are the individuals who are openly coordinating an attack on our democracy, in plain sight. They are anti-Britain, attempting to pull our institutions down into the gutter with them.

We can do the totting up on the other side of the vote.

 

[Peteinblack]

So, for those who’ve succumbed to the myopic cynicism of feeling “they’re all the same” when it comes to politicians, watch the vote on Monday where the Select Committee’s recommendations on Boris Johnson’s punishment for deliberately misleading the house will be made. There will be an easy way to tell whether an MP is competent to be in their job.

1. If an MP votes to implement the punishment handed down by the select committee, then they support and defend Britain’s institutions, and have the right stuff.

2. If they abstain from voting, they fear the backlash from Boris supporting members of their local party, and have placed their personal desire to remain in power ahead of service to their country. They are craven and easily manipulated.

3. If they vote against the select committee’s recommendations, they are as straight as a corkscrew, and not only should they be nowhere near the Houses of Parliament, they should not be trusted in word or deed on any subject under the sun. These are the individuals who are openly coordinating an attack on our democracy, in plain sight. They are anti-Britain, attempting to pull our institutions down into the gutter with them.

We can do the totting up on the other side of the vote.

The "They're all the same" claim is such nonsense, yet the Hard Right in Britain and the US keep repeating it. It is such an insult to our intelligence.

For every act of wrong-doing involving a Labour, Lib Dem, or Green politician, there are dozens by Conservatives. This is not surprising, because the whole Conservative philosophy is about the pursuit of self-interest and getting rich quick; 'I'm alright Jack, sod everyone else.' Combine that attitude with the sense of entitlement and superiority that Etonians often possess, and it becomes toxic.

That Tories (and Trumpists) keep repeating this lie to justify their continued craven loyalty to such liars and man-childs simply illustrates their utter moral and intellectual bankruptcy.

 

[Stat Brother]

So, for those who’ve succumbed to the myopic cynicism of feeling “they’re all the same” when it comes to politicians, watch the vote on Monday where the Select Committee’s recommendations on Boris Johnson’s punishment for deliberately misleading the house will be made. There will be an easy way to tell whether an MP is competent to be in their job.

1. If an MP votes to implement the punishment handed down by the select committee, then they support and defend Britain’s institutions, and have the right stuff.

2. If they abstain from voting, they fear the backlash from Boris supporting members of their local party, and have placed their personal desire to remain in power ahead of service to their country. They are craven and easily manipulated.

3. If they vote against the select committee’s recommendations, they are as straight as a corkscrew, and not only should they be nowhere near the Houses of Parliament, they should not be trusted in word or deed on any subject under the sun. These are the individuals who are openly coordinating an attack on our democracy, in plain sight. They are anti-Britain, attempting to pull our institutions down into the gutter with them.

We can do the totting up on the other side of the vote.

The abstainers are the problem.

Sure they'll be Lord & Lady #TeamBoris, voting against.
That's fine, they're made their pact, and we all know who and what they are.


But if after all this, all the evidence, all the press, and all the behind the scenes tittle-tattle you've been privy too, you're still unprepared to stick your neck out, why bother?

 

[chickens]

The abstainers are the problem.

Sure they'll be Lord & Lady #TeamBoris, voting against.
That's fine, they're made their pact, and we all know who and what they are.


But if after all this all the evidence, all the press and all the behind the scenes tittle-tattle you've been privy too you're still unprepared to stick your neck out, why bother?

I agree completely. If you’re not prepared to stand up for the institutions by which you’re granted your power, then you should immediately stand down.

You can’t take the salary and the perks and then stand idly by while your colleagues try to dismantle the very institutions that got you there.

 

[beorhthelm]

So, for those who’ve succumbed to the myopic cynicism of feeling “they’re all the same” when it comes to politicians, watch the vote on Monday where the Select Committee’s recommendations on Boris Johnson’s punishment for deliberately misleading the house will be made. There will be an easy way to tell whether an MP is competent to be in their job.

1. If an MP votes to implement the punishment handed down by the select committee, then they support and defend Britain’s institutions, and have the right stuff.

2. If they abstain from voting, they fear the backlash from Boris supporting members of their local party, and have placed their personal desire to remain in power ahead of service to their country. They are craven and easily manipulated.

3. If they vote against the select committee’s recommendations, they are as straight as a corkscrew, and not only should they be nowhere near the Houses of Parliament, they should not be trusted in word or deed on any subject under the sun. These are the individuals who are openly coordinating an attack on our democracy, in plain sight. They are anti-Britain, attempting to pull our institutions down into the gutter with them.

We can do the totting up on the other side of the vote.

agree, except thats an awful lot to read into abstentions.

 

[pb21]

Apparently, Johnson telling his acolytes not to vote against the report, so presumably they will also be abstaining...

Boris Johnson tells allies not to vote against Partygate report

Former PM in fresh controversy as he is accused of ‘clear breach’ of rules by taking up new job as Mail columnist

www.theguardian.com

 

[chickens]

agree, except thats an awful lot to read into abstentions.

In the course of usual business, yes, but this is a matter fundamental to our democracy. Regardless of political persuasion, if our Prime Minister can lie to the house with impunity, whatever little faith is left in our political institutions will be lost.

And with that, the legitimacy of government.

 

[Acker79]

Apparently, Johnson telling his acolytes not to vote against the report, so presumably they will also be abstaining...

Boris Johnson tells allies not to vote against Partygate report

Former PM in fresh controversy as he is accused of ‘clear breach’ of rules by taking up new job as Mail columnist

www.theguardian.com

Perfect for him really. When only a handful vote against it, it's because he told them not to, not because he has so little support.