[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[pb21]

So Raab and Patel have both been found to use bullying in the work place.

Presumably, given the low bar for bullying to be determined, the rest of the Government will also be accused and found to be bullies soon...

 

[A1X]

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

That Dominic Rabb is a right needy, whiney little shit is he not? Almost the text book bully.

 

[clapham_gull]

I've worked with people like that and not surprising he has given everyone a lecture on bullying on the way out.

They usually do.

Everyone knows what you are Dominic even if you are the last to work it out.

 

[jcdenton08]

I've worked with people like that and not surprising he has given everyone a lecture on bullying on the way out.

They usually do.

Everyone knows what you are Dominic even if you are the last to work it out.

I’ve underperformed and got too comfortable and benefitted hugely from a bollocking. You need to respect your manager for that approach to work and you need to know your staff.This isn’t that. This is him being a massive **** who seemingly nobody liked and good riddance to him I say.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Sent to me this afternoon by someone who worked with him

Just then there was the sound of a front door being kicked in. Moments later a sweaty Raab forced his way into the prime minister’s office. He stood in front of Sunak’s desk, his mouth opening and closing without saying anything. He then ripped off his jacket and shirt to expose his glistening pecs. He dropped into 100 one-arm press-ups before punching a hole in the wall. Only then could he bring himself to speak.

“Who the f***ing f*** is calling me a bully?” said Psycho.

Sunak tried not to look too intimidated. Amazing how quickly he switched from Dennis the Menace to his natural Cuthbert Cringeworthy. “Er. No one,” Rish! stammered anxiously. “I mean, not me, for certain. Well, not yet anyway. Possibly never. Though everyone you’ve ever worked with seems to have a different view.”

Psycho climbed on to the desk and stared down at the prime minister. “Do I look like a bully? Do I? How lucky do you feel, punk?”

“Oh very … Um, a little … Not much … And you definitely don’t look anything like a bully. Just my cuddly old mucker, Dom. But we do have a problem …”

“You’re the one with problems sunshine,” yelled Psycho. With that, he grabbed Sunak by the hair and dragged him to the toilets. Shoving his head down the bowl and flushing repeatedly. “I’ll show you what bullying really looks like.”

“Gosh, yes.” said Sunak. “My hair did need a wash.”

“I’m sorry, I don’t know quite what came over me,” Raab mumbled apologetically. “I’m not normally like this.”

“Yes you are,” observed more than two dozen civil servants. “That’s the point.”

“Anyway,” said Rish! “Back to the problem … The problem is that one civil servant claims you hacked her puppy to death with a machete …”

“It wasn’t a machete. It was a zombie knife that I’d confiscated from a drug dealer …”

“Leave Michael Gove out of it …”

“And I did everyone a favour. The dog wouldn’t stop yapping. Plus it was just a bit of fun. People get squeamish at the sight of blood in the office these days.”

“Mmm.”

“Well, I tell you one thing. I’m not going to resign. You and I both know that I’ve done nothing. Don’t we, sonny? So don’t even think of trying to sack me. Suella and the Tory right wing will never let you forget it if you do. You’ll never take me alive.”

Psycho picked up his shirt and strode out of the room. Rish! leant back in his chair and started sobbing. He didn’t have a clue what to do. He wanted to clear Dom. But he knew it would make him look shit. The public had long-since identified Raab as a wrong ’un and knew he was bang to rights.

So Sunak did what he always did when confused. Nothing. Maybe he’d feel braver tomorrow.

From here https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rishi-sunak-dear-friend-dominic-raab-so-wrong

Great story.

 

[Motogull]

Seems a bit weak from Sunak. By allowing him to resign instead of firing him it's Raab 'doing the right thing' while Sunak avoided responsibility, and showed an inability to hold his stafff to a standard of decency.

I'm not so sure. I believe protocol requires a resignation to spare your PM from having to sack. That Patel and Johnson pissed on that tells you all you need to know about them.

 

[The Clamp]

I’ve been found guilty of bullying so I suggest we redefine the definition of bullying so I’m no longer guilty of it.

Haven’t we seen this tactic before? Every time a Tory gets caught they don’t apologise and modify their behaviour, they seek to redefine the law/moral compass.

It never ends.

Using empathetic language, coax the lot of them into a ditch.

 

[clapham_gull]

I’ve underperformed and got too comfortable and benefitted hugely from a bollocking. You need to respect your manager for that approach to work and you need to know your staff.This isn’t that. This is him being a massive **** who seemingly nobody liked and good riddance to him I say.

There really isn't the need to give someone a "bollocking" unless they have endangered life.

The reality is with people like Raab is they aren't actually very good at their job themselves. It only takes limited research to discover that it is him that has serially underperformed, rather than his civil servants.

So how was he in his job ?

People like Raab are usually the product of their seniors who require an attack dog so they don't have to do the dirty work themselves and be seen to upset people.

Those sort of people strive to be loved (Johnson a case in point and I suspect Sunak is the same) so it's very useful to have someone who actually gets off on people disliking them. They also tend to very loyal, another bonus for their emotionally challenged manager but when they inevitably f*** up, it makes the getting rid of them usually very strung out.

I've met a number of serial bullies in my time, every single one the product of their weak needy manager.

 

[Scappa]

I’ve been found guilty of bullying so I suggest we redefine the definition of bullying so I’m no longer guilty of it.

Haven’t we seen this tactic before? Every time a Tory gets caught they don’t apologise and modify their behaviour, they seek to redefine the law/moral compass.

It never ends.

Using empathetic language, coax the lot of them into a ditch.

Good luck with that, they'd be to confused by the concept of empathy to understand what was expected of them. You'd have more luck herding cats

 

[The Clamp]

There really isn't the need to give someone a "bollocking" unless they have endangered life.

The reality is with people like Raab is they aren't actually very good at their job themselves. It only takes limited research to discover that it is him that has serially underperformed, rather than his civil servants.

So how was he in his job ?

People like Raab are usually the product of their seniors who require an attack dog so they don't have to do the dirty work themselves and be seen to upset people.

Those sort of people strive to be loved (Johnson a case in point and I suspect Sunak is the same) so it's very useful to have someone who actually gets off on people disliking them. They also tend to very loyal, another bonus for their emotionally challenged manager but when they inevitably f*** up, it makes the getting rid of them usually very strung out.

I've met a number of serial bullies in my time, every single one the product of their weak needy manager.

Absolutely this. And in fact a lot of times when life has been endangered it’s not been through the fault of the individual but by flawed systems or undue pressure from above.

 

[jcdenton08]

Absolutely this. And in fact a lot of times when life has been endangered it’s not been through the fault of the individual but by flawed systems or undue pressure from above.

Or someone getting too comfortable in their job, phoning it in for weeks or months or end and leaving everyone else with more work to do. I’d rather be taken aside and politely but firmly given home truths than be put on a formal PIP or something.

 

[The Clamp]

 

[jcdenton08]

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Two stories about donuts on the front page of the Daily Fail. And one about Bobby Moore.

 

[The Clamp]

Or someone getting too comfortable in their job, phoning it in for weeks or months or end and leaving everyone else with more work to do. I’d rather be taken aside and politely but firmly given home truths than be put on a formal PIP or something.

If it’s the persons sole responsibility, then yes. But in the scenario you’ve given, why was someone allowed to phone it in for months on end? Management should have picked up on that and done something about it before if became a bollocking situation.

When people make mistakes at work, more often then not it’s something like the wrong meds being given because the med distribution system is flawed.

Or someone ending up in a dangerous situation because people aren’t properly trained on radio comms and haven’t been able to get help quickly.

There’s more often than not a series of events that has lead to the error. Bollocking one individual rarely helps and never solves the underlying problems that caused the error.

It just results in a demoralised, blame culture workforce who make mistakes and end up quitting through stress with one shouty bloke at the top calling everyone wimps for not wanting to work under a dangerous bully.

 

[Blue3]

It’s quite despicable but not that unexpected of the Tories in the way they have handled this finding guilty of bullying by Dominic Rabb.
The PM had the report and knowing its findings he should have sacked him but instead he sits on it allowing Mr Rabb to resign.
The consequences of which allows Mr Rabb to publicly claim its a witch hunt a conspiracy of rebellious civil servants, he should have been sacked it would show that the PM backs the findings in a clear and transparent way

 

[WATFORD zero]

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Ian Hislop should shut down Private Eye, reality has finally overtaken satire

 

[jcdenton08]

If it’s the persons sole responsibility, then yes. But in the scenario you’ve given, why was someone allowed to phone it in for months on end? Management should have picked up on that and done something about it before if became a bollocking situation.

More often than not it’s something like the wrong meds being given because the med distribution system is flawed.

Or someone ending up in a dangerous situation because people aren’t properly trained on radio comms and haven’t been able to get help quickly.

There’s more often than not a series of events that has lead to the error. Bollocking one individual rarely helps and never solves the underlying problems that caused the error.

It just results in a demoralised, blame culture workforce who make mistakes and end up quitting through stress with one shouty bloke at the top calling everyone wimps for not wanting to work under a dangerous bully.

I personally don’t give bollockings. I just manage people out and recruit better next time.

 

[The Clamp]

I personally don’t give bollockings. I just manage people out and recruit better next time.

Yep, the recruitment process is also a factor.

Don’t get me wrong sometimes someone is a just a lazy git and needs getting shot of.

Sometimes though you find the “lazy git” is “lazy” because behind the scenes he’s been making up for work others haven’t done and he’s now at the point where he can’t be arsed and so “quietly quits”, just gives up on bothering. That’s a common example where all sorts of areas need looking at or it’ll just happen again with someone else.

But yeah, many reasons and ways to manage people.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

Having been a manager for over 30 years I just don’t get the idea that there is a thin line between strong and effective management and bullying. The behaviours are completely different. The former is about setting challenging objectives but with clarity, support and the allocation of the resources needed. It is also about handling performance issues early and, if needed, decisively but it is all about the employee and not the manager. The latter is characterised by inconsistency, shifting goalposts and scapegoating and is usually all about the fact that the manager is insecure and incompetent and is looking to hide it as all they care about is their career. I have experienced both and Raab fits the second category very well. His graceless departure just confirms this.