So how did that work for Boris Johnson? His understanding of the real world was demonstrated when he urged us peasants to spend a score on a new kettle to save a tenner on our energy bill (as if a tenner was going to make the difference).
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So how did that work for Boris Johnson? His understanding of the real world was demonstrated when he urged us peasants to spend a score on a new kettle to save a tenner on our energy bill (as if a tenner was going to make the difference).
See my response re Johnson and a kettle. I hold him up as an example of the private school elite. He reached the highest office in the land.
I rest my case.
So how did that work for Boris Johnson? His understanding of the real world was demonstrated when he urged us peasants to spend a score on a new kettle to save a tenner on our energy bill (as if a tenner was going to make the difference).
Quite simple really.
Not all of us who went to public school turned out like Boris Johnson.
If you rest your case on the kettle business, I trust you haven’t joined the legal profession, because you would’ve made a lousy lawyer.
Come on Rippleman, you can do better than that.
nicko31
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Deportivo Seagull
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Quite simple really.
Not all of us who went to public school turned out like Boris Johnson.
If you rest your case on the kettle business, I trust you haven’t joined the legal profession, because you would’ve made a lousy lawyer.
Come on Rippleman, you can do better than that.
The problem is that bumble**** and his like have a closed shop on politics, Eton has a lot to answer for.
FWIW, Through sport I mix with a lot of private school kids and the vast majority are great kids, well mannered, polite and get on really well with the state school kids, however it seems to be very much down to the school. Listening to kids from some of the ‘top private schools’ is certainly very interesting… and my god the parents [emoji2357]
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Baldseagull
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Everyone thinks they do, no one does, we know how our bit of the real world works, and even then some of us are blind to some of that.
Most Private schools are very good, and many ordinary people work hard to afford to send their kids to good private schools. There is an issue though with some Public schools, like Eton, they seem to be so good at instilling confidence and self belief into their students, that some utter ****wits are convinced they are amongst the most capable by virtue of having been at Eton, usually have family in influential positions, and are well connected, by having been to Eton, to people that will end up in influential positions through nepotism and the old school tie.
Agree with this. I coach hockey and cricket so obviously dealt with quite a few kids at independent schools. Virtually all of them are great. We get the occasional one or two who think they are superior beings, then you meet the parents and realise where that comes from. But then there are another group from one school. Wow. What do they do to them there?
I don't think the problem is all independent schools and all pupils that attended them. However, there is a perception that at a school like Eton, there is, shall we say, an opportunity for families to buy considerable influence and far greater opportunities for their sons. And that possibly fosters a sense of entitlement in some, not all, of those that go there. I suspect the 'old boy network' for old Etonians, is far more advantageous than the same network is for Old Ardinians or Old Johnians (Hurst College).
As an aside, I looked up the name for ex Hurst pupils and it has a long list of famous ex pupils and I only recognized three, Christopher Ellison (DCI Burnside), Barry Norman and Michael York. With Eton, of the 59 Prime Ministers this country has had, 11 came from Eton! As for Old Etonians, there are too many to name that are recognizable.
I don’t disagree with what has been said in this morning’s flurry of replies, but I felt I had to reply to Rippleman to rebutt his sweeping statement.
Yes, Eton is a case apart and I am sure is guilty of promoting ‘Etonism’ and has been for a very long time. From some articles I have read, I believe there is now a conscious effort to ‘tone this down.’ I hope they succeed.
There are objectionable people from all kinds of backgrounds and I am sure we have all come across our fair share.
As far as my school was concerned, there were some shites, as was to be expected, but you just avoided them. When I was a youngster, I was a prefects fag (almost slave!) for about a year. What a load of bollocks that system was, now done away with. Some of them thought they were superior, but they were the delusions of youth.
After leaving school, I met a few of those superior types, most had grown out of their delusions, but I wasted no time in telling them what effing wa—-rs they were at school. I couldn’t help myself!
PS. I didn’t go to Eton.
I think the late Bill Turnbull was a pupil at Eton and he turned out to be a decent man,so perhaps all is not lost.
Deportivo Seagull
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I don’t disagree with what has been said in this morning’s flurry of replies, but I felt I had to reply to Rippleman to rebutt his sweeping statement.
Yes, Eton is a case apart and I am sure is guilty of promoting ‘Etonism’ and has been for a very long time. From some articles I have read, I believe there is now a conscious effort to ‘tone this down.’ I hope they succeed.
There are objectionable people from all kinds of backgrounds and I am sure we have all come across our fair share.
As far as my school was concerned, there were some shites, as was to be expected, but you just avoided them. When I was a youngster, I was a prefects fag (almost slave!) for about a year. What a load of bollocks that system was, now done away with. Some of them thought they were superior, but they were the delusions of youth.
After leaving school, I met a few of those superior types, most had grown out of their delusions, but I wasted no time in telling them what effing wa—-rs they were at school. I couldn’t help myself!
PS. I didn’t go to Eton.
I think the late Bill Turnbull was a pupil at Eton and he turned out to be a decent man,so perhaps all is not lost.
Too many of the independent school try to I still an attitude of superiority over those less ‘fortunate’ than themselves ….. all the while that happens I’m going to have issues with independent schools.
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Thrifty non-licker
I went to Dorothy Stringer.
My experience of kids nowadays attending local independent schools is mostly that they are taught values of consideration towards others, respect and helping out peers at all times.
Which independent schools are you talking about?
I am genuinely interested because you said the vast majority of kids you came across were fine young citizens.
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My main experiences involve Shoreham College, Brighton College and Burgess Hill School for Girls.
Machiavelli
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I went to public school on an Air Training Corps scholarship. My single mother had no money. I got a good education and a sense of self discipline. However, I was not treated well by the majority of very wealthy children. Or their parents. They don’t like poor people. I was known as “the rough boy from the village”.
I hope things have changed now. But with the “establishments” MO being to preserve tradition and stifle progress, I can’t see it would change much.
I hope things have changed now. But with the “establishments” MO being to preserve tradition and stifle progress, I can’t see it would change much.
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The only ones I have ever had issues with have been from Eton, Harrow and Winchester, kids from Public Schools across Sussex have generally been great
Although Brighton College, Brighton and Hove High School and Roedean sometimes try to look down on 'the rest'
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Thrifty non-licker
I think set beliefs such as this are unhealthy and inaccurate.
From my experience, many parents make significant financial sacrifices to select a school of their choice.
Academic and other scholarships are of vital assistance, and the reasons are often straight forward.
Nothing to do with snob value, it can be something simple such as manageable class sizes and an environment where kids unwilling to play the game are at a minimum.
I can only describe my experience and it is accurate as far as that is the experience I had. I imagine experiences vary from child to child and school to school.
Put it this way, at my school the parents brought their cheque books to parents evening.
Did you attend public school?
The only ones I have ever had issues with have been from Eton, Harrow and Winchester, kids from Public Schools across Sussex have generally been great
Although Brighton College, Brighton and Hove High School and Roedean sometimes try to look down on 'the rest'
In my younger days, Errm, some 56 years ago, I knew a lovely girl from Roedean. One of my first romantic encounters.
