[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Springal]

Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss have pledged to dramatically expand the Rwanda scheme for removing asylum seekers, as they bid with growing ferocity for Conservative members’ votes in the party leadership race.

Both are appealing to the right of the party with pledges on immigration branded “cruel” by charities.

In a bid to stress his Brexiter credentials, Sunak said he would do “whatever it takes” to get the stalled Rwanda plan “off the ground and operating at scale”, along with a vow to pursue more “migration partnerships” with other countries.

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It’s now emerged the scheme was only for 200 refugees, for £120M. And the 50 refugees we were taking in from Rwanda.

 

[Seaview Seagull]

It's going to be great fun to see how the winning candidate works out how to appeal to the real electorate having spent months moving ever more rightwards to appeal to the Tory members.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It’s now emerged the scheme was only for 200 refugees, for £120M. And the 50 refugees we were taking in from Rwanda.

I believe that you will find the £120M was a one off payment to be invested in Rwanda, any refugees cost extra (to be negotiated) on top. Further to this the £120M has already been spunked, even if the whole scheme is found to be illegal and nobody at all goes. The Rwanda Government have confirmed that it has already been 'committed' and part of it used.

And to top it off, the Rwanda Government have confirmed that they are powerless to stop the refugees leaving to return to the UK.

And this is the plan that the two candidates today are talking about expanding

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I still haven't completely ruled out a Johnson comeback

No new policies from either candidate, just more of the same whilst the economy continues to plummet and the cost of living rockets still further. Give the new incumbent a few months and I think the Conservative Party members may be wanting to return to the 'Good old days' of Johnson.

After all, it wasn't them that got rid of him was it

7,600 have now signed the petition to put his name on the ballot.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

7,600 have now signed the petition to put his name on the ballot.

If his name goes on the ballot then it becomes bumble****’s Conservative party, similar to what Trump tried to do with the GOP.
I strongly suspect that the traditional Tory grandees will put a stop to it.


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[Papa Lazarou]

7,600 have now signed the petition to put his name on the ballot.

So what? Over 2.5m people signed a petition for a 2nd confirmation referendum on the Brexit deal and that was ignored.

He has been removed, they need to get over it.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

7,600 have now signed the petition to put his name on the ballot.

In addition I believe he would need to go through the MP voting run which he would lose.


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[cjd]

Would it be a good idea if we all signed the petition too..?

I honestly think that with any momentum , this would just be another nail in the Conservative coffin.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Truss has vowed to commission a new £200M Royal yacht. Mad cow.

What a waste of money.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I honestly think that with any momentum , this would just be another nail in the Conservative coffin.

I knew it wouldn't be long before Momentum reared their ugly head again.

 

[cjd]

I knew it wouldn't be long before Momentum rear their ugly head again.

Regrettably , I think you are correct.


An extreme Left will always cause an extreme Right.....and vice versa of course.

 

[nwgull]

Would it be a good idea if we all signed the petition too..?

I honestly think that with any momentum , this would just be another nail in the Conservative coffin.

Probably would. Outside of party membership, Boris Johnson and his cult are to the Conservatives what Jeremy Corbyn and momentum were to Labour.

 

[T.G]

Regrettably , I think you are correct.


An extreme Left will always cause an extreme Right.....and vice versa of course.

Not sure that's in any way true. What usually happens is that the far right drags the debate so far right that moderates appear to be 'Extreme' left..and of course visa versa! Also Momentum are not particularly extreme left, just labelled that way so that people are wary of their views. They are mainly advocates for social justice and equality. Ideals that should be mainstream not feared, but then we do have a vested interest in our media to portray Momentum as dangerous!

 

[T.G]

Probably would. Outside of party membership, Boris Johnson and his cult are to the Conservatives what Jeremy Corbyn and momentum were to Labour.

Not heard of the Forde report then? It would appear that Mr Corbyn would have won in 2017 if his own party had not sabotaged his chances.

 

[cjd]

Not sure that's in any way true. What usually happens is that the far right drags the debate so far right that moderates appear to be 'Extreme' left..and of course visa versa! Also Momentum are not particularly extreme left, just labelled that way so that people are wary of their views.

Would this be the same Momentum who fought so hard to have Peter Kyle de-selected ...?


( and thankfully failed )

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

7,600 have now signed the petition to put his name on the ballot.

One has to trust that the 1922 committee will not bow to such a preposterous idea.

 

[T.G]

Would this be the same Momentum who fought so hard to have Peter Kyle de-selected ...?

Sorry what's your point?

 

[cjd]

Sorry what's your point?

Splendid political response.


It was a simple question that possibly needed just a simple yes or no answer.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

One has to trust that the 1922 committee will not bow to such a preposterous idea.

There is going to be a new committee so who trusts the ‘right’ committee members will be put in place. Christopher Chope of the Telegraph is reporting the story.

I don’t trust this lot as far as I can throw them.

 

[Bob!]

One has to trust that the 1922 committee will not bow to such a preposterous idea.

There is going to be a new committee so who trusts the ‘right’ committee members will be put in place. Christopher Chope of the Telegraph is reporting the story.

I don’t trust this lot as far as I can throw them.

Weren't this latest committee put in place with the intention of changing the rules so that another 'no confidence in Johnson' vote could be brought in earlier?
Why would they now be wanting him back as leader?