[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[pb21]

Damage might be terrible though. My Mum would do a better job.

Potentially, although IMO indirectly. Truss is simply the most convenient stooge, the real business will be undertaken behind the scenes.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Looking pretty certain now that Cameron, sorry TRUSS will be our next leader.

Interesting times.....

 

[WATFORD zero]

Like you I am a bit amazed that anyone would take such a view. This thread probably isn’t for me.

I think you may be right.

A bit like the Brexit thread, I wouldn't think a thread highlighting the inherent dishonesty, dodgy financial and political backers etc of the self absorbed prospective 'New Tory Party' leaders would be the sort of thread for a proud middle of the road 'floating voter' like yourself

More the unpleasantness but do carry on.
Brexit, yeah.

I am sorry if I upset you, I was simply agreeing as I know that once a thread has taken a turn that you no longer want to discuss, then you are then very principled, leave the thread completely and I thought this thread had maybe done the same from your earlier post

I'm genuinely pleased you're still on board, as I do think you are one of the more thoughtful contributors on the political threads, so which of the remaining three candidates do you think will be best and why


.....And I'm so pleased you are back to lurking on NSC constantly giving your ironic thumbs up within a few seconds



I did worry what you were up to when you weren't on NSC 24/7

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Suddenly I came over all nostalgic for the days of Thatcher, Keith Joseph, Whitelaw, Carrington and Howe.

Much as I loathed them them at the time (and still do), compared to this shower at least they were vaguely competent.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I am sorry if I upset you, I was simply agreeing as I know that once a thread has taken a turn that you no longer want to discuss, then you are then very principled, leave the thread completely and I thought this thread had maybe done the same from your earlier post

I'm genuinely pleased you're still on board, as I do think you are one of the more thoughtful contributors on the political threads, so which of the remaining three candidates do you think will be best and why


.....And I'm so pleased you are back to lurking on NSC constantly giving your ironic thumbs up within a few seconds

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I did worry what you were up to when you weren't on NSC 24/7

I have no idea what you mean by that last bit.
You didn’t upset me at all. I just felt a little uncomfortable with the ‘BAME traitor’ phrase used by another poster. Nothing to do with you at all. To answer your question I don’t really like any of the candidates and am not hearing anything that tallies with my views.

 

[nicko31]

Suddenly I came over all nostalgic for the days of Thatcher, Keith Joseph, Whitelaw, Carrington and Howe.

Much as I loathed them them at the time (and still do), compared to this shower at least they were vaguely competent.

It’s a long way back. Get the Tories out and embark on constitutional reform

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Truss will be our Trump. Heaven help us.

 

[Recidivist]

its like the MPs and members are disconnected. imagine selecting an option for balance then finding out the membership really want that candidate as leader?
until this week Mordaunt was clear favorite from membership, so clever MPs would know what to do here.

Exactly what happened with Corbyn of course.

Labour MPs spent years trying to rectify their mistake!


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[knocky1]

A lot of movement at the bookies overnight.

Next Tory Leader looks likely to be a puppet/poodle.



Next Election betting a concern.



Next job for Boris. Surely he won't tell Truss to give him a Cabinet job.

 

[nicko31]

A lot of movement at the bookies overnight.

Next Tory Leader looks likely to be a puppet/poodle.

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Next Election betting a concern.

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Next job for Boris. Surely he won't tell Truss to give him a Cabinet job.

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Truss has a lot in common with Johnson, no real plan and no real integrity, another opportunist that doesn't really believe in anything

Can the public be gaslit again? I'd say its possible

 

[carlzeiss]

Looks like you've chosen to ignore the reply I made addressing your earlier points?

If you'd like to tell us all what could be worse than the last twelve years and how Labour would have achieved it we're all eyes.

If you want a reply to the above you'll have to be a little clearer. It's a touch ambiguous. Happy to help you when you've put a bit more meat on the bone though

As far as I am aware the two women you mentioned have got where they are today by their own hard work and determination .
They haven't played the victim card or expected guilt ridden fools to kneel for them . Why don't you get in touch though Twitter ( if that is possible) and call them out for being " BAME traitors " Would be interested to know if you get a response .

I am afraid I don't look back on the Tony Bair PM years with any nostalgia at all although I would like to reset the clock back to 1997 and live those years again , just to make a few changes in decisions that would make current life a bit more fruitful and bearable .

As for people arriving on inflatable boats being treated like criminals , are they being housed in prisons , I wasn't aware of that and shocking if true . Perhaps under a labour government they would be given a Dominos pizza and £200 clothing voucher upon arrival , then transported by coach to a 4 star hotel with full board , laundry service and spending money provided while waiting for suitable free housing to be found for them

 

[Hugo Rune]

Truss has a lot in common with Johnson, no real plan and no real integrity, another opportunist that doesn't really believe in anything

Can the public be gaslit again? I'd say its possible

No. They can’t be gaslit again.

However, the 160k Tory party members will surely vote for selfish tax cuts rather than the seemingly prudent economics of Sunak. The country is going to be in a pretty awful state by the time Sir Kier takes the resigns.

 

[beorhthelm]

A lot of movement at the bookies overnight.

Next Tory Leader looks likely to be a puppet/poodle.

i wonder in these sorts of thin markets how easy it would be to push them to your preference. Mourdant drifted from odds on to 7/1 and Truss near the same in opposite direction. their performances havent differed that much and Truss clearly poorer.

the next election is for most seats, and looks pretty much undecided with both Conservative and Labour odds on.

 

[kentgully]

No. They can’t be gaslit again.

However, the 160k Tory party members will surely vote for selfish tax cuts rather than the seemingly prudent economics of Sunak. The country is going to be in a pretty awful state by the time Sir Kier takes the resigns.

Can't abide champagne socialists...

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

No. They can’t be gaslit again.

However, the 160k Tory party members will surely vote for selfish tax cuts rather than the seemingly prudent economics of Sunak. The country is going to be in a pretty awful state by the time Sir Kier takes the resigns.

If the public elect a Labour Government then they will have looked at the issues and acted accordingly. If they elect a Tory Government then that same public will have been ‘gaslit.’ That’s basically your position and it is one shared by a number of other posters. That’s why there isn’t much point in discussing politics on NSC.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Be interesting to see if any of them watch this. Powerful stuff but I am sure it will be dismissed as woke or leftie or somesuch.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

As far as I am aware the two women you mentioned have got where they are today by their own hard work and determination .
They haven't played the victim card or expected guilt ridden fools to kneel for them . Why don't you get in touch though Twitter ( if that is possible) and call them out for being " BAME traitors " Would be interested to know if you get a response .

I am afraid I don't look back on the Tony Bair PM years with any nostalgia at all although I would like to reset the clock back to 1997 and live those years again , just to make a few changes in decisions that would make current life a bit more fruitful and bearable .

As for people arriving on inflatable boats being treated like criminals , are they being housed in prisons , I wasn't aware of that and shocking if true . Perhaps under a labour government they would be given a Dominos pizza and £200 clothing voucher upon arrival , then transported by coach to a 4 star hotel with full board , laundry service and spending money provided while waiting for suitable free housing to be found for them

The two women and the rest of bumble****’s cabinet got there because they were useless, no way was anyone of any intelligence or competence going to get a cabinet position. bumble**** did what Trump did and so rounded himself with sycophants and idiots and in most cases they are both.


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[Deleted member 37369]

If the public elect a Labour Government then they will have looked at the issues and acted accordingly. If they elect a Tory Government then that same public will have been ‘gaslit.’ That’s basically your position and it is one shared by a number of other posters. That’s why there isn’t much point in discussing politics on NSC.

Yep

 

[KZNSeagull]

Be interesting to see if any of them watch this. Powerful stuff but I am sure it will be dismissed as woke or leftie or somesuch.

Sunak has listened to Martin Lewis before and acted upon what was said.

 

[BBassic]

Sunak has listened to Martin Lewis before and acted upon what was said.

As Chancellor, right?

He wasn't beholden to the whims of the various factions with the party like he would be as PM.

I'm not saying he won't do what he can; just it's a different job with different considerations.