[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[CHAPPERS]

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[CHAPPERS]

It's being reported by Princess Nut Nuts ex Harry Cole of The Sun that they're not having the 'do' at Chequers after all.

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After sending out James Cleverly on the press rounds with this line:

In his interview on the Today progamme James Cleverly, the new education secretary, said Johnson should be allowed to hold that party at Chequers regardless of when his successor gets elected. He said:

I suspect that it would be a rather generous action of the new prime minister to allow that to go ahead. Like so many people, many, many, many people across the country had their wedding plans and celebrations disrupted because of Covid. I think it’s churlish to be negative about two people who want to celebrate their marriage and their love for each other.

 

[vegster]

Not that I believe him to be especially capable or effective, but I don't understand why Raab hasn't been installed as Caretaker PM with immediate effect, especially as he isn't running for the Leadership. As John Major said, this is one of the principal reasons why the position of Deputy PM exists.

Johnson is the toxic element, so Graham Brady should have found a way to insist he goes with immediate effect and Raab holds the fort until a new Leader is elected by whatever mechanism the party are going to use.

I sense a growing headwind of dissatisfaction with this botched solution that leaves Johnson still as PM and so for once the Tories should get ahead of the issue now an deal with it.

It's a cynical and desperate attempt to hang on to power and hope something turns up to change the game. He has to go and go NOW.

He's " going " because he has lost the trust and support of his own MP's as they know he can't do the job. That isn't going to magically change, he is still inept and incompetent.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Agree - although he would just be a Johnson puppet as he has been for the last two years - in addition he was the WORST foreign sec. ever (and that's saying something seeing as Johnson also held that post) and sat on the beach whist the Afghanistan evacuation crisis unfolded. Unforgiveable.

A little unfair on Mr Raab - 'the sea was actually closed.'

 

[Bob!]

Does anyone actually know whether Boris:

1. Has resigned yet.
2. Has really resigned yet.
3. Has not resigned yet.
4. Has not really resigned yet.
5. If 3 or 4, intends to resign?
6. If 5, has given a date for his intended resignation.
7. If 1 or 2, what has he resigned from or really resigned from.

Feel free to add any other questions that need clarification.

He has agreed to resign when the Conservatives have elected a new leader who will become PM at that point.

 

[Bry Nylon]

Agree - although he would just be a Johnson puppet as he has been for the last two years - in addition he was the WORST foreign sec. ever (and that's saying something seeing as Johnson also held that post) and sat on the beach whist the Afghanistan evacuation crisis unfolded. Unforgiveable.

I don't disagree with any that. By any measure, Raab is completely useless. But for me the issue isn't so much one of capability at this point but ethics, trust and risk management and as such Johnson should've been out the door yesterday and nowhere near No10 Downing Street.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I don't disagree with any that. By any measure, Raab is completely useless. But for me the issue isn't so much one of capability at this point but ethics, trust and risk management and as such Johnson should've been out the door yesterday and nowhere near No10 Downing Street.

Perhaps to do with a lack of formal procedures in this situation. Each succession seems to be handled differently. This would be corrected by a simple bill requiring PMs to leave Downing Street the same day they resign. If there was any will to do that in either main party then it would already have been proposed and passed.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

He has agreed to resign when the Conservatives have elected a new leader who will become PM at that point.

I'm not entirely sure that he has even agreed to that!
He will not allow himself to say the word "resign", but he has certainly implied that will happen.

 

[usernamed]

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Perfection.

 

[Hugo Rune]

I'm not entirely sure that he has even agreed to that!
He will not allow himself to say the word "resign", but he has certainly implied that will happen.

He has given himself some room to change his mind. I imagine that won’t make any difference to the outcome of him leaving but it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. He’ll be sitting in the cabinet with the Sun, Express and Mail headlines laid out in front of him and asking them the same question: “What have you done?” and then, “How can we change this”, and then “This will have all blown over by the Autumn”.

 

[nicko31]

Top rant from Jonathan Pie

https://digg.com/video/jonathan-pie...ng-send-off-for-boris-johnson-youll-ever-hear

 

[Eric the meek]

He has agreed to resign when the Conservatives have elected a new leader who will become PM at that point.

Thanks. I make that:

3. He has not resigned yet.
4. He has not really resigned yet.
5. He intends to resign on (date tbc, subject to a successful leadership election).

 

[Bodian]

He has agreed to resign when the Conservatives have elected a new leader who will become PM at that point.

The best way the Tory Party could get rid of him quickly would be for them to agree to only one candidate putting their name forward. They would then be elected new leader immediately - and Johnson would have to go. The new leader could then announce that they are standing down to enable a proper / normal leader election process to take place.

That would outmanoeuvre him.

 

[zefarelly]

The best way the Tory Party could get rid of him quickly would be for them to agree to only one candidate putting their name forward. They would then be elected new leader immediately - and Johnson would have to go. The new leader could then announce that they are standing down to enable a proper / normal leader election process to take place.

That would outmanoeuvre him.

I don't think they have the cranial capacity to do that.

Sit back and watch the shitshow continue while Boris digs in for his party @ Chequers

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

The best way the Tory Party could get rid of him quickly would be for them to agree to only one candidate putting their name forward. They would then be elected new leader immediately - and Johnson would have to go. The new leader could then announce that they are standing down to enable a proper / normal leader election process to take place.

That would outmanoeuvre him.

I’ll do it as long as I get the party at Chequers thrown in. I absolutely PROMISE to resign once everything is cleared up.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

He has given himself some room to change his mind. I imagine that won’t make any difference to the outcome of him leaving but it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. He’ll be sitting in the cabinet with the Sun, Express and Mail headlines laid out in front of him and asking them the same question: “What have you done?” and then, “How can we change this”, and then “This will have all blown over by the Autumn”.

Nah he’s gone. If he stay’s it means “I’m the Conservative party and you are my minions’. That is not going to happen mainly because the grandee’s and 1922 committee won’t stomach it.

He needs a house and cash so he’ll hang on until he can get cash coming in. He’s doing what he has always done … looking after number 1.

Personally I think some very unsavoury crap will start to surface and bumble**** is going to have his hand full just keeping himself out of the courts..


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[Eric the meek]

I’ll do it as long as I get the party at Chequers thrown in. I absolutely PROMISE to resign once everything is cleared up.

And Matt (If I were a carpenter, would you marry me anyway) Hancock has got to finish wallpapering the tree house. And I'm not going to pay a penny over the agreed price of £150,000 either.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

The best way the Tory Party could get rid of him quickly would be for them to agree to only one candidate putting their name forward. They would then be elected new leader immediately - and Johnson would have to go. The new leader could then announce that they are standing down to enable a proper / normal leader election process to take place.

That would outmanoeuvre him.

The issue is that there have always been warring factions within the party.
The idea that both sides would cede the top job to the other side is unlikely.
The party has to chose whether it wants to return to the centre or not.
It could get messy.

Meanwhile Bojo will continue to present himself as the leader during challenging times

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[Bry Nylon]

And Matt (If I were a carpenter, would you marry me anyway) Hancock has got to finish wallpapering the tree house. And I'm not going to pay a penny over the agreed price of £150,000 either.

As the Johnson premiership draws to an end, Matt Hancock has become a bit like the 'Barry from EastEnders' character that Shaun Williamson played in 'Extras.'

 

[pb21]

Precisely!

Some people seem to think that labour should now be going round making tories a nice cup of tea, putting an arm around them and offering a choccy biscuit.

Yep, the 'obligations' of the opposition are ‘to oppose the government, to criticize it and to seek to replace it’.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/official-opposition

This suggested motion is exactly what they should be doing.