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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...



Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
point is he's all opportunism, no planning. he's not capabable of thinking ahead, judging others reactions and setting in play some ruse lasting months. end of the week is his horizon.

there's no scenario where he's party leader and continues in office. once a new leader is appointed, Queen makes them PM - Johnson doesnt have any say.

The Queen cannot make them PM until the existing one offers his resignation to her. He hasn’t yet done so. Will he do it some time in the future? Who knows?
 




WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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I'm beginning to wonder whether his plan is to release everything that any prospective Conservative party leader has been up to. After all, he still has the whips and their little black books, and I'm absolutely certain that we have only seen the tip of what has gone on over the last 2.5 years. It will be like Cummings, but with the whole Government machine still working for him picking off his successors one by one.

Let's face it, Britain and the Economy is going to hell in a handcart, so deriving a little entertainment along the way is probably the best we can hope for :lolol:
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Unless ERG Big Cheese and Hard Man Of Brexit, Steve Baker, totally hoodwinked me yesterday I don't think there is any chance Johnson is in cahoots with the ERG.

I’m on a train so can’t link the tweet showing Andrea Jenkins screaming at the public, about Wait & See, and He who laughs last, laughs loudest.

Mind you, a massive split in the Conservative party is good for the opposition.
 


Eric the meek

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Aug 24, 2020
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The Queen cannot make them PM until the existing one offers his resignation to her. He hasn’t yet done so. Will he do it some time in the future? Who knows?

I confess that when you first pointed out the fact that he hadn't resigned, my first reaction was somewhat dismissive.

But the more I read around the subject, and in view of Andrea Jenkyns' shouting 'wait and see' at the crowd, and then Rory Stewart's impressive interview with James O'Brien, I'm beginning to realise that the short term future is quite uncertain. Entertaining, yes. But uncertain.
 


WATFORD zero

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I'm beginning to wonder whether his plan is to release everything that any prospective Conservative party leader has been up to. After all, he still has the whips and their little black books, and I'm absolutely certain that we have only seen the tip of what has gone on over the last 2.5 years. It will be like Cummings, but with the whole Government machine still working for him picking off his successors one by one.

Let's face it, Britain and the Economy is going to hell in a handcart, so deriving a little entertainment along the way is probably the best we can hope for :lolol:

Thinking about it more, look at what Johnson did to Sunak, with No 10 leaking his financial affairs the moment Johnson thought he was getting above his station. There's every chance that the dodgy PPE 'fast track' contracts could wipe out half the runners and riders, throw in a couple of Russian donations, a couple of expenses 'mistakes' and the odd sexual assault. Maybe that's why there needs to be so many 'contenders'.

And we could still end up with Suella Braverman as PM, not on account of any core integrity, honesty or intellect but simply because she was too stupid to take advantage when all the others did :facepalm:
 




nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Gods country fortnightly
I confess that when you first pointed out the fact that he hadn't resigned, my first reaction was somewhat dismissive.

But the more I read around the subject, and in view of Andrea Jenkyns' shouting 'wait and see' at the crowd, and then Rory Stewart's impressive interview with James O'Brien, I'm beginning to realise that the short term future is quite uncertain. Entertaining, yes. But uncertain.

Jenkyn's has got to be one of the most toxic individuals in the Tory party, and a Trump lover...
 


Uh_huh_him

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Sep 28, 2011
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I'm beginning to wonder whether his plan is to release everything that any prospective Conservative party leader has been up to. After all, he still has the whips and their little black books, and I'm absolutely certain that we have only seen the tip of what has gone on over the last 2.5 years. It will be like Cummings, but with the whole Government machine still working for him picking off his successors one by one.

Let's face it, Britain and the Economy is going to hell in a handcart, so deriving a little entertainment along the way is probably the best we can hope for :lolol:

Yep. Whoever is the next Prime Minister is going to have a very difficult time.
They will be under intense scrutiny as to whether they are up to the job or not.

Bojo will have his network of media contacts undermining their campaigns left right and centre.
A well managed media campaign highlighting what a hero he is staying on, whilst the jackals rip each other apart, will then follow.
 


Hugo Rune

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Feb 23, 2012
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Yep. Whoever is the next Prime Minister is going to have a very difficult time.
They will be under intense scrutiny as to whether they are up to the job or not.

Bojo will have his network of media contacts undermining their campaigns left right and centre.
A well managed media campaign highlighting what a hero he is staying on, whilst the jackals rip each other apart, will then follow.

This campaign you speak of started this morning.

“What have you done”!
 






Blue Valkyrie

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Sep 1, 2012
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Valhalla
Thinking about it more, look at what Johnson did to Sunak, with No 10 leaking his financial affairs the moment Johnson thought he was getting above his station. There's every chance that the dodgy PPE 'fast track' contracts could wipe out half the runners and riders, throw in a couple of Russian donations, a couple of expenses 'mistakes' and the odd sexual assault. Maybe that's why there needs to be so many 'contenders'.

And we could still end up with Suella Braverman as PM, not on account of any core integrity, honesty or intellect but simply because she was too stupid to take advantage when all the others did :facepalm:

And we never found out who the nipple licking drink spiker was.
 


Stat Brother

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Jul 11, 2003
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Yep. Whoever is the next Prime Minister is going to have a very difficult time.
They will be under intense scrutiny as to whether they are up to the job or not.

Bojo will have his network of media contacts undermining their campaigns left right and centre.
A well managed media campaign highlighting what a hero he is staying on, whilst the jackals rip each other apart, will then follow.
That sounds very un-Tory!!!

His 'replacement' will crumble.
The depfeffel PR machine will work.

While that's going on, inexplicably Starmer will be ousted by The Labour Party.
They in turn will replace him with Diane Abbott.

BoJo will win the election by a greater majority.
The remnants of the Labour Party will turn to a moderate.


And we're all right back to square one.
 




TomandJerry

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Oct 1, 2013
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Lord help us ..

Priti Patel, the home secretary, is considering standing in the Tory leadership contest, according to Esther Webber at Politico. “[Patel has] long been a darling of the Tory grassroots and may feel this is her moment, although her time in charge of the Home Office has not convinced everyone she’s a steady hand on the tiller,” Webber writes.

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Jul 20, 2003
20,666
Lord help us ..

Priti Patel, the home secretary, is considering standing in the Tory leadership contest, according to Esther Webber at Politico. “[Patel has] long been a darling of the Tory grassroots and may feel this is her moment, although her time in charge of the Home Office has not convinced everyone she’s a steady hand on the tiller,” Webber writes.

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This news has lit up the betting exchanges, Last traded price 64/1 current best odds 124/1

:)
 




Lever

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Feb 6, 2019
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Lord help us ..

Priti Patel, the home secretary, is considering standing in the Tory leadership contest, according to Esther Webber at Politico. “[Patel has] long been a darling of the Tory grassroots and may feel this is her moment, although her time in charge of the Home Office has not convinced everyone she’s a steady hand on the tiller,” Webber writes.

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Interestingly Tory Brexiter Andrew Bridgen claims that the Conservative voter base is 'considerably more to the right than we are'; maybe Patel's move is not so foolish, even if it threatens to destroy democracy in the country....
 


Stat Brother

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Lord help us ..

Priti Patel, the home secretary, is considering standing in the Tory leadership contest, according to Esther Webber at Politico. “[Patel has] long been a darling of the Tory grassroots and may feel this is her moment, although her time in charge of the Home Office has not convinced everyone she’s a steady hand on the tiller,” Webber writes.

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The lengths we'll go to in order to get a free holiday to Rwanda.
 








Machiavelli

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Oct 11, 2013
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Fiveways
The best way the Tory Party could get rid of him quickly would be for them to agree to only one candidate putting their name forward. They would then be elected new leader immediately - and Johnson would have to go. The new leader could then announce that they are standing down to enable a proper / normal leader election process to take place.

That would outmanoeuvre him.

That's rather convoluted, because they could get round that by removing Johnson and his deputy stepping in in the interim period. Raab did that when Johnson had Covid. The general view in the party is that 'this particular ship has sailed', and we're stuck with him for however long the leadership contest lasts.
PS, also see my post below.
 


rippleman

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Oct 18, 2011
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What we have now is the worst possible situation for both the Country and the Conservative Party and only benefits one individual. It is bit of a concern that even following the resignations of last two days, and with Johnson on his knees (insert joke here), they still can't actually remove him ???

Simplicity itself to remove him were it not for the dumb ****wits who have agreed to serve under him in his new "resignation government". The Tories are still propping up a Johnson led government. If the Tories really wanted rid of him they could have achieved it by refusing to serve under him. And there you have it.
 


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