[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Uh_huh_him]

The Tories are worried that a vote of no confidence that's being put forward by Labour will lead to a General Election.

A possible reason why BJ hasn't gone yet.



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If they are worried about that, then they simply vote as one and defeat it comfortably.
LAbour cannot force a general election.
They can of course damage the Conservative party, which they will.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

If they are worried about that, then they simply vote as one and defeat it comfortably.
LAbour cannot force a general election.
They can of course damage the Conservative party, which they will.

Isn't it just a cynical move to force Tory MPs to put their names to supporting Johnson ?

The VNOC motion would be about confidence in a Johnson Government.

It is not about succeeding ( added bonus if it does ) it is about making Tories nail themselves to the Johnson mast.

 

[TomandJerry]

James Cleverly has admitted that Boris Johnson "has not really resigned yet" despite giving a 'resignation speech' yesterday afternoon. Observers noticed that Mr Johnson did not explicitly mention the word resign in his speech, prompting speculation that he would somehow try to cling to power. Kay Burley pushed Mr Cleverly on this point, asking: "So he is still Prime Minister? What has he resigned from then?"

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[Bry Nylon]

Not that I believe him to be especially capable or effective, but I don't understand why Raab hasn't been installed as Caretaker PM with immediate effect, especially as he isn't running for the Leadership. As John Major said, this is one of the principal reasons why the position of Deputy PM exists.

Johnson is the toxic element, so Graham Brady should have found a way to insist he goes with immediate effect and Raab holds the fort until a new Leader is elected by whatever mechanism the party are going to use.

I sense a growing headwind of dissatisfaction with this botched solution that leaves Johnson still as PM and so for once the Tories should get ahead of the issue now an deal with it.

 

[clapham_gull]

James Cleverly has admitted that Boris Johnson "has not really resigned yet" despite giving a 'resignation speech' yesterday afternoon. Observers noticed that Mr Johnson did not explicitly mention the word resign in his speech, prompting speculation that he would somehow try to cling to power. Kay Burley pushed Mr Cleverly on this point, asking: "So he is still Prime Minister? What has he resigned from then?"

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Resigning

 

[clapham_gull]

Not that I believe him to be especially capable or effective, but I don't understand why Raab hasn't been installed as Caretaker PM with immediate effect, especially as he isn't running for the Leadership. As John Major said, this is one of the principal reasons why the position of Deputy PM exists.

Johnson is the toxic element, so Graham Brady should have found a way to insist he goes with immediate effect and Raab holds the fort until a new Leader is elected by whatever mechanism the party are going to use.

It's the catchall Moggian excuse of there is nothing unconstitutional about it. The "right thing to do" disappeared from this administration thinking the day they got elected.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Lavish wedding party planned at Chequers in late July.

It would be 'frankly inhumane' to cancel that.

 

[Bold Seagull]

The Tories are worried that a vote of no confidence that's being put forward by Labour will lead to a General Election.

A possible reason why BJ hasn't gone yet.

A significant number of them would need to vote for it. 40+ Conservative MPs would need to trigger a GE at a time when it would look like they'd lose. Can't see that happening.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Not that I believe him to be especially capable or effective, but I don't understand why Raab hasn't been installed as Caretaker PM with immediate effect, especially as he isn't running for the Leadership. As John Major said, this is one of the principal reasons why the position of Deputy PM exists.

Johnson is the toxic element, so Graham Brady should have found a way to insist he goes with immediate effect and Raab holds the fort until a new Leader is elected by whatever mechanism the party are going to use.

I sense a growing headwind of dissatisfaction with this botched solution that leaves Johnson still as PM and so for once the Tories should get ahead of the issue now an deal with it.

What we have now is the worst possible situation for both the Country and the Conservative Party and only benefits one individual. It is bit of a concern that even following the resignations of last two days, and with Johnson on his knees (insert joke here), they still can't actually remove him

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Isn't it just a cynical move to force Tory MPs to put their names to supporting Johnson ?

The VNOC motion would be about confidence in a Johnson Government.

It is not about succeeding ( added bonus if it does ) it is about making Tories nail themselves to the Johnson mast.

Absolutely.
It's about damaging the government.
Ironically of course, the longer he stays, the better, for Labour.

 

[WATFORD zero]

A significant number of them would need to vote for it. 40+ Conservative MPs would need to trigger a GE at a time when it would look like they'd lose. Can't see that happening.

But it does mean that they would have to publicly back the leader that they've been backing constantly for the last 2.5 years, right up until those startling revelations that surprised and shocked them and everyone else, came out a couple of days ago

 

[Eric the meek]

Resigning

Does anyone actually know whether Boris:

1. Has resigned yet.
2. Has really resigned yet.
3. Has not resigned yet.
4. Has not really resigned yet.
5. If 3 or 4, intends to resign?
6. If 5, has given a date for his intended resignation.
7. If 1 or 2, what has he resigned from or really resigned from.

Feel free to add any other questions that need clarification.

 

[Gwylan]

Isn't it just a cynical move to force Tory MPs to put their names to supporting Johnson ?

I'm not sure what's cynical about this. It's designed to cause maximum embarrassment to the Conservatives. Isn't that what Opposition parties are supposed to do?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Isn't it just a cynical move to force Tory MPs to put their names to supporting Johnson ?

The VNOC motion would be about confidence in a Johnson Government.

It is not about succeeding ( added bonus if it does ) it is about making Tories nail themselves to the Johnson mast.

I think a VONC, with tory MPs voting to keep in power they leader they have already forced out (at some point) would be hilarious.

Now the oaf is on his way out I want a labour government as soon as possible.

 

[beorhthelm]

Isn't it just a cynical move to force Tory MPs to put their names to supporting Johnson ?

The VNOC motion would be about confidence in a Johnson Government.

It is not about succeeding ( added bonus if it does ) it is about making Tories nail themselves to the Johnson mast.

seems like it. i wonder if the Tories would abstain, on basis Johnson is already leaving so the outcome is redundant.

apparently Liberals have had a motion for no confidence vote since begining of the year, insufficent support to go ahead. Labour feel now is the time for them to act.

 

[ManOfSussex]

It's being reported by Princess Nut Nuts ex Harry Cole of The Sun that they're not having the 'do' at Chequers after all.

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[clapham_gull]

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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I'm not sure what's cynical about this. It's designed to cause maximum embarrassment to the Conservatives. Isn't that what Opposition parties are supposed to do?

Precisely!

Some people seem to think that labour should now be going round making tories a nice cup of tea, putting an arm around them and offering a choccy biscuit.

 

[WATFORD zero]

seems like it. i wonder if the Tories would abstain, on basis Johnson is already leaving so the outcome is redundant.

apparently Liberals have had a motion for no confidence vote since begining of the year, insufficent support to go ahead. Labour feel now is the time for them to act.

If the Tories abstain, there would be a General Election

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Not that I believe him to be especially capable or effective, but I don't understand why Raab hasn't been installed as Caretaker PM with immediate effect, especially as he isn't running for the Leadership. As John Major said, this is one of the principal reasons why the position of Deputy PM exists.

Johnson is the toxic element, so Graham Brady should have found a way to insist he goes with immediate effect and Raab holds the fort until a new Leader is elected by whatever mechanism the party are going to use.

I sense a growing headwind of dissatisfaction with this botched solution that leaves Johnson still as PM and so for once the Tories should get ahead of the issue now an deal with it.

Agree - although he would just be a Johnson puppet as he has been for the last two years - in addition he was the WORST foreign sec. ever (and that's saying something seeing as Johnson also held that post) and sat on the beach whist the Afghanistan evacuation crisis unfolded. Unforgiveable.