[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[The Clamp]

Well there we have it. Apparently he’s resigned. Yet, another day progresses and… he’s still here.

I think I’ve had enough of his revolting mooey for today.

Peace.

 

[dazzer6666]

Having seen that speech, I am also starting to think this is simply more of Johnson's 'survive another day and see what turns up' that he's been churning out for the last 50 odd years.

He isn't gone yet

But to stay now, after that very public speech, he would have to be some kind of arrogant, pathological liar who couldn’t care less about about what he’s previously said or what people think.






Ah, shit.

 

[zefarelly]

Having seen that speech, I am also starting to think this is simply more of Johnson's 'survive another day and see what turns up' that he's been churning out for the last 50 odd years.

He isn't gone yet

It's all a big game for him. I wonder what the odds on him still being PM come Christmas

 

[FloatLeft]

No idea what your argument is about The Clamp

However with regards the two films you mentioned I have seen both and like you was dragged along to see Elvis and like you came away thinking it was a brilliant film I was hooked from start to finish.

Top Gun 2 on the other hand was good in parts the action scenes in particular are very impressive but the story was at best weak being so predictable overall I thought the film was ten minutes to long a poor sequel

I know this is off topic but the actual main plot line of Maverick was taken lock, stock and barrel from Star Wars.

Fly long a perilous trench avoiding enemy fire and drop your bomb on an impossibly small target on a uranium enrichment plant (read: Death Star’s small thermal exhaust port).

Zzzzzzzz

Anyway back to politics….

 

[Lever]

Everyone loves a charming confident man. Everyone loves a winner. How do you imaging Hitler came to power?

But I agree with you, not only are these not good characteristics, they are positively dangerous because a skilled practitioner can sell any lie, manipulate any audience and pursue any malign agenda.

I always say the public gets the political leaders it deserves. Will the public ever learn to be able to see through the guilt-free liar, the charming manipulator, the psychopath (because psychopaths is what these people are)? No. No they won't.

Incidentally I suspect that more han 50% of people on this board think that Boris got Brexit 'done'.

Sad, really. Humans. So weak. So gullable. So willing to believe what suits their prejudices.

Particularly when served up in a charismatic, confident manner.......

 

[maltaseagull]

Rather a barbed speech I thought. "It's the herd instinct that has done for him". They won't like that.

Wasn't he in favour of herds in 2020 at the start of Covid?

 

[Seagull27]

Well I disagree with it. He talks well here because it's all about him - his favourite subject. But when it's British business, well he's a bit f**king useless isn't he?
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Well that's exactly my point. He talks well, but everything else is useless. Being a good speaker doesn't help at all if you don't understand the subject

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Totally irrelevant I know in the grand scheme of things but he has pissed off Putin more than any other world leader, which is a good thing

Has he? By giving Putin's allies the time needed to salt away their funds before imposing sanctions? By blustering on television?

Schoolboy error. You are taking on face value the impression that Johnson wants to give you.

Listening to Johnson and his leveling up guff, anyone would think he wants to roll out socialism. On a national level!

 

[Guinness Boy]

Having seen that speech, I am also starting to think this is simply more of Johnson's 'survive another day and see what turns up' that he's been churning out for the last 50 odd years.

He isn't gone yet

The Men In Grey Suits simply won't allow it to drag on. I expect the 1922 to set an aggressive timeline on Monday. Going through this whole cycle again is an existential risk to the Tory Party at a time when they've vanquished whatever Far Right rabble Farage assembles to force them to the right.

There are, however, two candidates to succeed him who are even worse. I'm sure we all know their names.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Having seen that speech, I am also starting to think this is simply more of Johnson's 'survive another day and see what turns up' that he's been churning out for the last 50 odd years.

He isn't gone yet

With all those KGB connections, maybe Russia will help him.

 

[Icy Gull]

Has he? By giving Putin's allies the time needed to salt away their funds before imposing sanctions? By blustering on television?

Schoolboy error. You are taking on face value the impression that Johnson wants to give you.

Listening to Johnson and his leveling up guff, anyone would think he wants to roll out socialism. On a national level!

Yes, yes he has. Pretty well every Russian threatening nuke attack mentions wiping out the UK

 

[Guinness Boy]

Totally irrelevant I know in the grand scheme of things but he has pissed off Putin more than any other world leader, which is a good thing

After years of supporting Russian dirty money in our economy and delivering on Putin's wet dream of a more fragmented EU.....

 

[Uh_huh_him]

You genuinely think the rest of the Tories will allow him to stay in place for 3 months?

I'm guessing that was the deal that was done with the grandees.
Last night he was pretty adamant that he would not go voluntarily.


Someone might stand up and oust him, it would be difficult for anyone in the leadership race to do that.

 

[Lever]

Well it's important as a leader to be able to engage people, get your point across to them, motivate them etc. It doesn't matter how good you are at everything else if you can't articulate that to parliament or the public.

Imagine say Theresa May trying to give the speeches that Winston Churchill had to during the war, do you think they would have had the same impact?

I understand your viewpoint but I am trying to emphasise that charisma and fine oratory is generally 'window-dressing' - useful, but neither 'good' nor 'bad' in itself ; it is an attribute primarily for the user and often disguises the efficacy of the substance. The gullible can easily be won over by fine words.....

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Schoolboy error. You are taking on face value the impression that Johnson wants to give you.

And at face value the impression from Putin’s cronies.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I'm guessing that was the deal that was done with the grandees.
Last night he was pretty adamant that he would not go voluntarily.


Someone might stand up and oust him, it would be difficult for anyone in the leadership race to do that.

My take is that ‘you can stay until a new leader is selected in the Autumn, but don’t ****ing touch anything’.

The big question is who selected the new cabinet. Was it bumble**** or was he given a list be the Tory grandees?


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[Uncle C]

Boris was deliberately vague in his speech. Because he is planning on staying.

Wow, do you have the lottery numbers?

 

[Uh_huh_him]

You can guarantee he'll still be thinking that "something will turn up."

The man is a total egotist.
He may think the electorate will be dismayed about how he's been treated and a couple of months of worsening polling results will give him a lifeline.
He'll be wrong, I suspect.

But you're right, the longer he has to wiggle out of it, the better for Boris.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yes, yes he has. Pretty well every Russian threatening nuke attack mentions wiping out the UK

Funny how we aren't charging about in a state of panic over such a threat......

 

[Tom Bombadil]

True to form his resignation speach gave no indication that he understood why the conservative party had done this to him. Truly a man who belives he can do no wrong. He should be moved as far away from the levers of power as is possible