[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Is it PotG?]

What about all the nations where it's worked for decades? Tory posh boys too immature to compromise?

Can't see Starmer compromising in any area.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

 

[BBassic]

Can't see Starmer compromising in any area.

Based on what, exactly?

 

[rogersix]

Ok, thanks

Germany seems to be doing something right, in spite of having a coalition government for decades?

 

[rogersix]

Can't see Starmer compromising in any area.

Why not?

 

[Wardy's twin]

One argument against PR is that it could give more power to smaller fringe parties where they can make up the balance to form a majority - Israel and the extreme religious groups is/was a case in point. In this country that could mean extremists from the right or maybe from a muslim group could get seats ( i mention only these as they are the two most likely due to numbers and the two most organised). In reality in the UK we have had this extremist minority wielding a lot of for power the last 100 years which is the DUP/ UUP etc (indeed even before that) and also now have it (as some would argue) with Sinn Fein.

IMO a proper democracy is about consensus not FPTP and the only way you can genuine consensus is to have a government that represents everyone not a narrow band. Such consensus might slow down some decision making but it might also stop the flip flop between governments going left and right and wasting effort changing others policies.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Are you convinced that once Starmer gets a sniff of some power, the McCluskey bunch won't be like bees around the honey pot?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/18/secret-tape-reveals-momentum-plot-to-link-with-unite-seize-control-of-labour

Who are the McClusky bunch? He has retired, and union members are as varied as voters. Going by my colleagues when I retired, there were members of every political shade.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Are you convinced that once Starmer gets a sniff of some power, the McCluskey bunch won't be like bees around the honey pot?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/18/secret-tape-reveals-momentum-plot-to-link-with-unite-seize-control-of-labour

Can't see Starmer compromising in any area.

This thread is about the Tories and their meltdown not about the Opposition. There's a thread in the Bear Pit for that.

 

[Lever]

This thread is about the Tories and their meltdown not about the Opposition. There's a thread in the Bear Pit for that.

You shouldn't tell him; he'd never guess......

Thanks as always for the thumbs up 'Is it PotG?'; now about that written endorsement.........

 

[Is it PotG?]

This thread is about the Tories and their meltdown not about the Opposition. There's a thread in the Bear Pit for that.

There are many, many posts mentioning Starmer & Co, as their rise to inevitable power is linked to the thread. They are linked, and references need to be made.

 

[AmexRuislip]

 

[Is it PotG?]

Germany seems to be doing something right, in spite of having a coalition government for decades?

Thank you,

Right.

Germany.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Caroline Nokes points out the hypocrisy in her own party.

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[Peteinblack]

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[rogersix]

Thank you,

Right.

Germany.

not germany?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I didn't expect you to agree.

My instance would be the pandemic.

With no history or cases as examples, strategies were varied from nation to nation. Someone needs to act. 5 groups around a table might cause delays, and some aspects might never get resolved.

"Let the bodies pile high" was Johnson's chosen resolution.

Maybe he should have got round the table instead ?

The sooner this monstrous self serving Crime Minister is booted out the better.


What a wasted opportunity.

 

[darkwolf666]

Based on what, exactly?

Bias... and one party rhetoric!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Let's see how the 148 vote when it means going into the lobbies.

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[Is it PotG?]

not germany?

Yup, glad of the example.

Will be interested how the post Merkel era evolves though.

 

[rogersix]

Yup, glad of the example.

Will be interested how the post Merkel era evolves though.

so in 25 yrs, and the german economy is still thrumming along, you will consider electoral reform?