[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Is it PotG?]

Yet, as pointed out, it works well in many countries!

Which, in your opinion, are the better ones?

 

[Gwylan]

I didn't expect you to agree.

My instance would be the pandemic.

With no history or cases as examples, strategies were varied from nation to nation. Someone needs to act. 5 groups around a table might cause delays, and some aspects might never get resolved.

Not a great example. We had a death rate far higher than most countries and our response was marked by a great deal of disagreement between members of government.

Were you asleep yesterday when Nadine Dorries and Jeremy Hunt were having a ding-dong row on Twitter? Little sign of agreement there

 

[Is it PotG?]

Not a great example. We had a death rate far higher than most countries and our response was marked by a great deal of disagreement between members of government.

Were you asleep yesterday when Nadine Dorries and Jeremy Hunt were having a ding-dong row on Twitter? Little sign of agreement there

As I said, whichever example I select, you'd dismiss it.

An example of how PR might cause issues really.

Hunt has no impact upon day-to-day decisions.

 

[darkwolf666]

Which, in your opinion, are the better ones?

Take your pick... 40 out of 43 in Europe!

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/which-european-countries-use-proportional-representation/

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

After digesting this quite depressing result I couldn't help laughing at one of the Guardian reader comments

"The problem is this line will work with much of the electorate and as a result we will be stuck with this bunch of deranged toss pots for decades to come"

 

[clapham_gull]

As I said, whichever example I select, you'd dismiss it.

An example of how PR might cause issues really.

Hunt has no impact upon day-to-day decisions.

As the inquiry will show you didn't need politicians from another party for disagreement.

It comes down to competence rather than ideology.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I didn't expect you to agree.

My instance would be the pandemic.

With no history or cases as examples, strategies were varied from nation to nation. Someone needs to act. 5 groups around a table might cause delays, and some aspects might never get resolved.

We had a coalition government from May 1940-May 1945 and we got a lot done then.

 

[darkwolf666]

I wish I could share in your hope, but I don't.

I think Boris will win the vote and perversely use this as indictment that he is doing a great job!

We will then have to listen to him telling us it's "time to move on" and "to get on with the important things". We will also be treated to his toadie sycophants telling us at every opportunity that Boris gets the "big calls right", whatever that means, repeated ad nauseum until the idiots believe it...

I got that spectacularly right. Mind you it didn't need Mystic Meg's crystal ball to see how it would go!

 

[Is it PotG?]

We had a coalition government from May 1940-May 1945 and we got a lot done then.

Whether the Red or Blue flag flies high over Parliament, I don't expect to see PR in my lifetime. Nor do I want it.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Take your pick... 40 out of 43 in Europe!

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/which-european-countries-use-proportional-representation/

I'll try again. Which, in your opinion, are the most successful?

The reliance upon c/p and/or links without explanation nor opinion is becoming more commonplace.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Whether the Red or Blue flag flies high over Parliament, I don't expect to see PR in my lifetime. Nor do I want it.

Democracy means it isn't just what you want, but what the majority want. The unions kept Labour from approving PR before but that is turning around.

 

[darkwolf666]

I'll try again. Which, in your opinion, are the most successful?

The reliance upon c/p and/or links without explanation nor opinion is becoming more commonplace.

To be honest I don't have first hand knowledge (nor do you) of how well each country uses its version of PR, so can't give a comment as to which is the bestest.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Obviously we can't be so grown up in this country. Or it's just those with a vested interest don't want change - as the old saying goes about Turkeys and Christmas!

All my adult life - I’m 68 - I have supported the idea of PR. The Tories, though, see FPTP as their way of staying in power……. Even, I fear, possibly when the odds are stacked against them

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

The Tories, though, see FPTP as their way of staying in power…….

As I said on another thread, Blair had the opportunity to change the voting system, but didn't.

FPTP suits the Tories - AND Labour.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Whether the Red or Blue flag flies high over Parliament, I don't expect to see PR in my lifetime. Nor do I want it.

What’s wrong with people looking to work together.

I can remember a while ago - and I can’t remember what the issue was - Therese Coffey’s shadow opposite number offering to work on a cross-party basis about something. Her response was something along the lines of “we don’t need to because we have a massive majority.

She might as well have said “@#&£ off, we don’t care what anyone else thinks and we are going to do something lots of people don’t like” - an attitude which I personally find abhorrent.

Working together might actually mean that the other side don’t change it if and when they regain power.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

As I said on another thread, Blair had the opportunity to change the voting system, but didn't.

FPTP suits the Tories - AND Labour.

As I posted previously, the unions blocked it at the Labour conference, but now McClusky has gone, that is a barrier removed.

 

[Is it PotG?]

What’s wrong with people looking to work together.

I can remember a while ago - and I can’t remember what the issue was - Therese Coffey’s shadow opposite number offering to work on a cross-party basis about something. Her response was something along the lines of “we don’t need to because we have a massive majority.

She might as well have said “@#&£ off, we don’t care what anyone else thinks and we are going to do something lots of people don’t like” - an attitude which I personally find abhorrent.

Working together might actually mean that the other side don’t change it if and when they regain power.

Again, the concept is wonderful, like a lot of things.

Sadly, reality does not always reflect this visionary dream of Utopia.

 

[Is it PotG?]

To be honest I don't have first hand knowledge (nor do you) of how well each country uses its version of PR, so can't give a comment as to which is the bestest.

Ok, thanks

 

[Is it PotG?]

Democracy means it isn't just what you want, but what the majority want. The unions kept Labour from approving PR before but that is turning around.

Are you convinced that once Starmer gets a sniff of some power, the McCluskey bunch won't be like bees around the honey pot?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/18/secret-tape-reveals-momentum-plot-to-link-with-unite-seize-control-of-labour

 

[rogersix]

What about all the nations where it's worked for decades? Tory posh boys too immature to compromise?