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Seaber

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I reckon about 130 will vote against him. I think the Tories believe Wakefield is lost but Tiverton may not be. Lose both and the rebellion will grow.
 




Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
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I reckon there will be a lot of deceit with MPs voting differently to their declared intentions.
 






lawros left foot

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Nadine Dorries has arrived at No10 with a fishing rod & a bag of chicken saying she is a friend of Boris Johnson


:D stolen from Twitter.
 


Kinky Gerbil

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I reckon about 130 will vote against him. I think the Tories believe Wakefield is lost but Tiverton may not be. Lose both and the rebellion will grow.

I don’t think people will publicly back him, they can use it later down the road
 


Hamilton

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Jul 7, 2003
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It's a win/win for some of us I hope.

If Johnson wins, he'll try to stumble on and then the Tories will lose the next GE, as he is guaranteed to cock-up again as he is simply not good at his job.

If Johnson loses with a half-decent majority, then he'll try to stumble on, but the country will still hate him and all Tory MPs for backing him.

If Johnson loses badly, then he's toast.

Personally, regardless of my political associations I want him gone so that someone with a proper grasp of the brief can do something about the cost of living; building trade with the EU and others; rescuing Northern Ireland from falling back into the times of the troubles; removing some of these illegal pieces of legislation that criminalises the right to protest; reinvesting in a plan to build up local economies (not just the vote bribing approach to the North, but also building up economies outside of London); addressing the scandal of the housing market and helping our young disenfranchised population find a home they can afford; stopping the inhuman and illegal approach to the immigration crisis etc. - the list of how they have failed goes on and on, and I haven't even mention the fact that we have more COVID deaths than any other country.
 




WATFORD zero

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I'm rather hoping he doesn't go today. From the moment he got elected it was blindingly obvious what was coming.

The economy is already completely f***ed for the next few years and unless there was a radical change of PM and direction from somewhere out of the backbenches (which, much as I would like, really isn't going to happen) another Cabinet member would simply be more of the same for the rest of their tenure. At least with bunglec*** at the helm, there's entertainment value :shrug:
 
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A1X

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Klaas

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Audax

Boing boing boing...
Aug 3, 2015
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We know that Boris is capable of falling on his sword, witness his withdrawal from the leadership race when leading in the polls after being knifed in the back by Gove. However, I don't see that happening now because there is no other obvious challenger.

That was different. he was the challenger, not the incumbent, and he knew that without Gove's support he couldn't win. Withdrawing was the least damaging outcome available to him at that point in time (because winners don't lose), so that's what he did. If he'd carried on and lost, I reckon he wouldn't ever have been PM.

Right now, though ... he's the incumbent. And he'll do everything he possibly can to stay there, because he knows once he's gone there's no way back.
 




Kalimantan Gull

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Aug 13, 2003
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I reckon about 130 will vote against him. I think the Tories believe Wakefield is lost but Tiverton may not be. Lose both and the rebellion will grow.

The main reason to vote for him is to curry his favour, they all know they are in a bad place with the electorate. So why vote for him but not publically state you're going to vote for him, that would be a weird move.

My gut feeling (sorry [MENTION=6741]jakarta[/MENTION]) is that he'll lose.
 


vegster

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May 5, 2008
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It's a win/win for some of us I hope.

If Johnson wins, he'll try to stumble on and then the Tories will lose the next GE, as he is guaranteed to cock-up again as he is simply not good at his job.

If Johnson loses with a half-decent majority, then he'll try to stumble on, but the country will still hate him and all Tory MPs for backing him.

If Johnson loses badly, then he's toast.

Personally, regardless of my political associations I want him gone so that someone with a proper grasp of the brief can do something about the cost of living; building trade with the EU and others; rescuing Northern Ireland from falling back into the times of the troubles; removing some of these illegal pieces of legislation that criminalises the right to protest; reinvesting in a plan to build up local economies (not just the vote bribing approach to the North, but also building up economies outside of London); addressing the scandal of the housing market and helping our young disenfranchised population find a home they can afford; stopping the inhuman and illegal approach to the immigration crisis etc. - the list of how they have failed goes on and on, and I haven't even mention the fact that we have more COVID deaths than any other country.

Indeed you are correct, there is also the slow slide in to poverty of working families and their children just as what's left of workers rights and standards is being thrown away in order to be more " Competetive " ie, make more money at the expense of those doing the work. This government never actually tackles anything that will make peoples lives better in the long run. ....and we have had years of this under the Tories...christ, we even have people pulling their own teeth out because they can't find an NHS Dentist !
 








Kalimantan Gull

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Aug 13, 2003
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Central Borneo / the Lizard
Tories attacking Tories....

Culture Secretary Nadine Dorries has launched an extraordinary attack on her fellow Conservative and widely tipped leadership contender Jeremy Hunt.

Dorries accuses him of telling her the government would "swiftly collapse" after Brexit and he would "swoop in".

"You’ve been wrong about almost everything, you are wrong again now"

Dorries adds that when she was a health minister, Hunt told her the government should follow the pandemic response of China and other countries, with mandatory two-week stays in quarantine hotels for infected people.

She says he demanded evidence that British people would never accept being forcibly separated from their loved ones. "Your handling of the pandemic would have been a disaster," she says.





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Well, off the back of Brexit Cameron's government collapsed, May's government collapsed and now Johnson's is floundering around with the NI protocol, so it wasn't a bad shout by Hunt.

How the hell Nadine Dorries is in the cabinet and not on Loose Women or some such I'll never know.
 


Kalimantan Gull

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Aug 13, 2003
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Central Borneo / the Lizard
MPs whose constituents want Boris out might do just that though.

Why keep him there then? If your constituents want him gone, you're the one who's going to lose your seat as a result.

If you're going to lose anyway, might as well give him full public support, get a ministerial job and use that to get nice directorships after the voters turf you out.
 


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