In Parliament, it’s frowned upon. Not on election leaflets,
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In Parliament, it’s frowned upon. Not on election leaflets,
Commas come after the last letter of the relevant word, like this, and not next to the next word ,like this.
But, no, do carry on telling us how it really is, you and your great mate PotG
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
Some people have a very low attention span.
The dancing commas continue to bedazzle.
I suspect that sadly, like you, a considerable proportion of the nation are not much interested in attention to detail
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
The dancing commas continue to bedazzle.
I suspect that sadly, like you, a considerable proportion of the nation are not much interested in attention to detail
I disagree. Jo Coburn was quite clear on clarification regarding details of how Labour would pay for the increase in NHS care costs today.
T'was all a bit vague.
None of that makes any sense, Col. He'll be too busy to do what? You're getting over-excited at the thought of Johnson's great victory. Next, you'll be over-tired
And I bet you give this post a thumbs up in your weird, stalkerly way.
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Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Clear was vague, was it? Have you been overdoing the absinthe again?
Clear as mud.
What ARE you going on about?
What you wrote may make sense in your own mind. Elsewhere, however.....
And I bet you give me yet another of your weird stalkerly thumbs ups yet again. What a queer fellow you are
ITN News must be uncomfortable watching. Looks like a British Passport holding Afghan’s 4 year old daughter was given less attention than a stray dog.
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clapham_gull
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Bob!
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Police will ask aides of Boris Johnson named in Sue Gray’s report as having attended parties during lockdown if they are guilty and therefore accept a fine under regulations passed by the government they work for.
Some could be asked in writing to accept or dispute Gray’s findings, while others will have to be interviewed under caution. The investigation is expected to take at least several weeks, with detectives prepared to expand their inquiry if further evidence emerges.
The Metropolitan police will take Gray’s evidence and ask those she finds to have attended gatherings in Downing Street and Whitehall whether they have a reasonable excuse, sources say.
The sources add that, while the lockdown-breaking offences are relatively minor and do not result in a criminal record if paid promptly, any attempts to lie, or to get others to lie, could result in an escalation of Scotland Yard’s inquiry, with perverting the course of justice investigations launched. Suspicion of committing such offences could lead to arrest, full criminal investigation and potentially time in jail if convicted.........
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...artygoers-named-by-inquiry-if-they-are-guilty
Some could be asked in writing to accept or dispute Gray’s findings, while others will have to be interviewed under caution. The investigation is expected to take at least several weeks, with detectives prepared to expand their inquiry if further evidence emerges.
The Metropolitan police will take Gray’s evidence and ask those she finds to have attended gatherings in Downing Street and Whitehall whether they have a reasonable excuse, sources say.
The sources add that, while the lockdown-breaking offences are relatively minor and do not result in a criminal record if paid promptly, any attempts to lie, or to get others to lie, could result in an escalation of Scotland Yard’s inquiry, with perverting the course of justice investigations launched. Suspicion of committing such offences could lead to arrest, full criminal investigation and potentially time in jail if convicted.........
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...artygoers-named-by-inquiry-if-they-are-guilty
portlock seagull
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Lying doesn’t matter anymore. It probably never did. What mattered was being proved a liar. That used to lead to disgrace and ‘honourable’ exits. Johnson and other modern politicians like Trump and Belisconi have no shame, no morals and no intention of leaving office; only to consolidate power by creating chaos, conflict and instability. To what purpose I’m not entirely sure other than to feed their vain, narcissistic and sociopathic personalities. Democracy has taken a battering this century. The real tragedy is most people don’t care providing they can still order a takeaway. Country really needs to wake up to the utter shitstorm on all fronts that’s already breaking: plague and fire are already with us, war looks likely and 3 ducks in a row triggers the 4th - famine. As David Attenborough’s been saying for at least a decade, the collapse of society and civilisation is at stake. Our politicians are so inept, so lacking any kind of integrity and leadership, that I for one am concerned for the future. I’d be really afraid if I was in my teens or early 20’s. This generation are facing Armageddon.
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Mr Putdown
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Wasn’t the fine for organising an event ten grand?
What if certain individuals attended more than one illegal gathering? Didn’t the fines go up significantly for a second offence?
clapham_gull
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I was thinking tonight how incredibly seriously some businesses took the rules. You couldn't enter my building without a temperature check and it was the same at my dentist.
I was lucky enough to work at home, but many couldn't. Many setting up and looking after the infrastructure so the others didn't have to go in.
I understand many small businesses couldn't do that, but Whitehall is a huge business. You'd expect them to be the gold standard.
Billions have spent by businesses to make their work place secure and Downing Street stuck two fingers up to it.
Obviously they opened up the financial tap with the furlough scheme, but that's all Johnson has as a policy - write a huge cheque and fingers crossed some of it goes in the right direction.
How anybody with Conservative inclined politics has been sucked in by this fraud is beyond me. It's like Michael Portillo becoming leader of the Labour party and Corbynistas singing his name.
Party of business ? It's become the party of Johnson.
I was lucky enough to work at home, but many couldn't. Many setting up and looking after the infrastructure so the others didn't have to go in.
I understand many small businesses couldn't do that, but Whitehall is a huge business. You'd expect them to be the gold standard.
Billions have spent by businesses to make their work place secure and Downing Street stuck two fingers up to it.
Obviously they opened up the financial tap with the furlough scheme, but that's all Johnson has as a policy - write a huge cheque and fingers crossed some of it goes in the right direction.
How anybody with Conservative inclined politics has been sucked in by this fraud is beyond me. It's like Michael Portillo becoming leader of the Labour party and Corbynistas singing his name.
Party of business ? It's become the party of Johnson.
Kalimantan Gull
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Of course not! It would be totally unique, House of Cards stuff.
BUT, just playing with ideas, it could be the only way for him to keep some kind of control of the situation, if it becomes obvious he has misled the house. He would be honour bound to resign under the ministerial code and the letters of no confidence would be pilng up.
Imagine it, he would say he's been hounded out, but by the letter of the code he has to resign, so he marches off to the Queen, resignation letter in hand, asking her to invite Dominic Raab to form a government as interim PM while they have a leadership contest. The heavy hitters in the cabinet rally around him (they're all too scared to stick their heads over the parapet) and he finds himself facing some sacrificial backbencher in a leadership contest. The members overwhelmingly vote for him and he returns to the Palace after Raab resigns one of the shortest prime ministerial reigns in history.
father_and_son
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...leaving the Tories unelectable for a decade. Too many MPs facing too much backlash from their own, local conservative associations to stand for it.
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Kalimantan Gull
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Have you read Collapse by Jared Diamond? (Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed). Its an excellent book, ostensibly looking at how environmental destruction led to societal collapse, with Easter Island the prime case study but as he looks further and at different examples (modern-day as well as historic) he identifies five common factors that contribute to the collapse of societies: environmental damage, climate change, hostile neighbors, loss of trading partners, and the society's responses to its problems. A recurrent problem in collapsing societies is a structure that creates "a conflict between the short-term interests of those in power, and the long-term interests of the society as a whole." resulting in a societies' loss of faith in its leaders.
It's a really interesting and powerful book, and every since reading it I've viewed things like brexit, the rise of trump and Johnson or our response to climate change, within this prism.