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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...



usernamed

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Aug 31, 2017
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problem is the entire political climate in the UK right now revolves around Brexit and hence, most political debates lead back to that.

Without Brexit there is no Boris, his government is built on the divisive nationalism that it created and all goverment policy and political issues are dealt with from that angle. They had to clear out all the moderate Tories and replace them with Boris yes men, so when he lies they go along with it.

So unfortunately Brexit created Boris and this cess pit of a government, all the lies, corruption and contempt for the electorate all started from that acorn

I hear you, and agree that the Brexit result has accelerated our move into a tribal US style post-truth society, but feel that each time we link what’s happening now to a referendum that took place over 5 years ago, not a single one of our valid criticisms is heard. All people hear is a “Remoaner” who “can’t handle the fact they lost.”

An inability to let this go runs the risk of keeping this corrupt shower in power, if their voters are disgusted with them, but can’t see anyone else they could bring themselves to vote for.

Anyway, apologies, back on topic, and it looks as if we’re going to see the report after all. I wonder if they’ll release the photos separately or as an appendix to the main report? Boris can put them up on his bedroom wall when he moves back in with his Dad. They’ll go nicely next to the poster of the female tennis player scratching her arse.


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Randy McNob

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Jun 13, 2020
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Since there is no police officer senior to her, which particular independent police force did you have in mind :facepalm:

And you do realise that if Johnson walks, you won't get the Johnson 5 year plan that you voted for 2 years ago ? Out of interest, at what point do you think this superb economic strategist, excellent international negotiator, master of diplomacy and brilliant leader of the UK Government that you decided was the man to take Britain forward into a new age, became a proven lying, duplicitous, unscrupulous, self obsessed, deceitful, unprincipled, corrupt, egotistical ****

i think the moment he endeared himself to the public was the have I got news for you appearance, it was clear then he was a powerful statesman in the making
 


Machiavelli

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Oct 11, 2013
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Quite possibly but I saw a fascinating take today on Sunak’s options. While he might have strong support among Conservative MPs, he might be less popular with the party membership, who are opposed to the tax rises that, rightly or wrongly, will be linked with him.

There is now an argument to be made that his best chance of heading off a Truss challenge is to hope Johnson is unseated immediately. This could provide Sunak an opportunity to refashion the narrative and brand the national insurance increase as being solely down to Johnson. He could then rescind the increase as his first action.

If he waits six months, the increases will take effect and it will be far harder for Sunak to disassociate himself from them.

Well I thought it was interesting anyway.



See: https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ment-borrows-inflation-national-debt-december
 


Machiavelli

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Oct 11, 2013
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Since there is no police officer senior to her, which particular independent police force did you have in mind :facepalm:

And you do realise that if Johnson walks, you won't get the Johnson 5 year plan that you voted for 2 years ago ? Out of interest, at what point do you think this superb economic strategist, excellent international negotiator, master of diplomacy and brilliant leader of the UK Government that you decided was the man to take Britain forward into a new age, became a proven lying, duplicitous, unscrupulous, self obsessed, deceitful, unprincipled, corrupt, egotistical ****

AC12? :jester:
 






Happy Exile

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Apr 19, 2018
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Your apology for ‘coming back with facts’ is a little patronizing. You have your interpretation of Labour policy. Mine is that they wanted a rerun of the Referendum to try to get a different result. This was Liberal policy before the election ie a Remain position. It was totally ridiculous to announce they would campaign against their own negotiated new deal. They lost. I did get what I wanted when I voted to leave. We left the EU. I would have voted the same way given the opportunity at any point in the past when the issues were entirely different.

That's not my interpretation, that's verifiable facts and their actual policy. I am actually sorry - I don't like conflict and pointing out that facts prove someone's opinions are based on wrong information could cause conflict. I'm glad you've not taken it that way. There's no point debating it, facts won't change your opinion, and your opinion against facts...well only facts can win that one for me. No hard feelings, and thanks for sharing your point of view. I genuinely respect that you've done so and I think I've learned something from it. And life would be boring if we were all the same.
 




Klaas

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Nov 1, 2017
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According to Yahoo News (yes I know) Rishi Sunak also accidently attended the I didn't know it was a party cake ambush outdoor BBQ gathering.

:lolol:

.. because a COVID strategy committee meeting was supposed to happening in the cabinet room !!

Oh my days....

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/rishi-sun...L1mgTV7yOFkOUVp2Gi5QyF9YA8nWqXqYP52Y7YxNlcxpY

Utterly irrelevant I know, but Yahoo is still massive in Japan and it still has that old look, the red logo at the top of the page one. Very quaint.
 




clapham_gull

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Aug 20, 2003
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completely true, but they have made these statements about covid enforcement before. because they are inundated with reports of breachs, and when they prosecuted people the tabloids cried about how unfair it was to fine some poor bugger.

as for them knowing something was happening, at Tory HQ basement i cant see why, and at Downing St (and most other gov departments) it was the staff there. do people really want them to spend the effort of investigating only to find, yes, technically there wasnt a breach of the law as all in attendance were in a work bubble? the damage is in the parties happening at all, when the public were told we couldnt.

There is/was no such thing as a "work bubble" in the Covid rules/legislation.

It's just a term that has been invented to excuse rule breaking at work. Some exceptions were given (for example in the entertainment industry) but participants had to isolate from society before and the event.

This clearly didn't apply to Downing Street.
 


Chicken Run

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Jul 17, 2003
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Tory meltdown incoming...

So unfortunately Brexit created Boris and this cess pit of a government, all the lies, corruption and contempt for the electorate all started from that acorn

Even worse Brexit regrettably created you Nob, you big ‘Masterbater’, has the Frau started talking to you yet? [emoji6]


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Guinness Boy

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Even worse Brexit regrettably created you Nob, you big ‘Masterbater’, has the Frau started talking to you yet? [emoji6]


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With PMQs today and Sue Gray's report due, it's a shame one or two seem to be intent on the sort of posts designed to get this sent to the pit. As the number one story right now people should be able to comment on it on the BB, and, instead of moving it, thread bans and infractions may be used if this continues.

An example of a post which has nothing to do with the subject is the post above. Not the only one by far but the inference in it is completely wrong (there is no evidence RMN is a second account and certainly not a second account of anyone in Germany).

Ta,
 




Westdene Seagull

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Oct 27, 2003
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With PMQs today and Sue Gray's report due, it's a shame one or two seem to be intent on the sort of posts designed to get this sent to the pit. As the number one story right now people should be able to comment on it on the BB, and, instead of moving it, thread bans and infractions may be used if this continues.

An example of a post which has nothing to do with the subject is the post above. Not the only one by far but the inference in it is completely wrong (there is no evidence RMN is a second account and certainly not a second account of anyone in Germany).

Ta,

At last !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 




nicko31

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Just heard Mogg from yesterday claiming Johnson has got all the big decisions right since the start of the pandemic, that one really is up there with his Grenfell "lack of common sense" remark.

Yet some will tragically agree with him
 




Bry Nylon

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Jul 21, 2003
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He's basically f**ked at this point isn't he?

If he refuses to release the report at all he'll be seen to be hiding something.
If he part-releases it he'll be seen to be hiding something.

The only way this doesn't hurt him is if he releases it in full and Sue Gray has written favourably.

Yup. And it’s hard to imagine the scenario whereby Sue Gray finished her report, pressed ‘print’ and said to herself, “Well, the report is completely favourable with no evidence of criminality; I’d better phone the Metropolitan police.”
 


essbee1

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Jun 25, 2014
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Just heard Mogg from yesterday claiming Johnson has got all the big decisions right since the start of the pandemic, that one really is up there with his Grenfell "lack of common sense" remark.

Yet some will tragically agree with him

That interview with him on Newsnight just showed what a completely out of touch, deluded, arrogant tos*er he is.
 








Tom Hark Preston Park

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Jul 6, 2003
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Just heard Mogg from yesterday claiming Johnson has got all the big decisions right since the start of the pandemic, that one really is up there with his Grenfell "lack of common sense" remark.

Yet some will tragically agree with him

That seems to the official party line they've decided on, haven't we done brilliantly all the way through this and let's move forward with much more important issues. As if their shockingly poor decision making in the earlier stages of the pandemic didn't cost the lives of tens of thousands of people and endless heartache to those people's friends and families who couldn't even bury their dead at the same time as it was Office Party Central at number 10. Shameful really
 


nicko31

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Every interview he does shows that in fairness.

From Grenfell to comments about foodbanks being uplifting to lying to our head of State (how that was not a wake up call is beyond me), the fact he is still there says everything about the person at the top and what has become acceptable. There no shame about anything, they feel there were born to rule and are above everyone and everything

I'm not convinced the Tories will select anyone of quality to replace Johnson, but just maybe it might stop the rot of standards in public life that be has presided over.
 


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