[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Herr Tubthumper]

Sadly, millions of people are still defending him, often by claiming that "All politicians are corrupt or incompetent/Labour or the Lib Dems would be just as bad, if not worse."

I've said all along that many of Johnson's supporters are our equivalent of Trump fanatics in the US - he could slaughter someone's family in front of them and then burn their house down, and they'd still vote for him, marvelling at what 'a character' he is.

My sister-in-law was visiting yesterday - she's a barrister (so pretty intelligent and mentally sharp), and even she was defending him, saying that he's the victim of a witch-hunt, and is being bullied, even by people from his own party - I suggested she stopped reading the Daily Mail (which she does)

I guess as a barrister she is comfortable, and used to, defending guilty people?

 

[Eeyore]

The big problem Johnson has is it that for some time many in his party have hated him and his leadership, but stuck with it because they thought he was a positive at the ballot box. It now seems apparent that he's no longer going to be so, and it's hugely unlikely he ever will be again. So whereas a leader who commanded more support generally throughout his (or her) party might be able to ride this out, or at least pick a point of their own departure, I don't think Johnson has the goodwill among his own to manage that. When the end comes, it will be swift and it will be brutal. It's more a question of "when" now.

Nobody does 'night of the long knives' like the Tories. Nobody.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Apparently, back in 1993 under John Major, quite a few Tory MPs were 'persuaded' to vote for the Maastricht Treaty (which formally created the European Union) because the whips blackmailed them, by threatening to publicly leak details of their alcoholism, debts, gambling addiction, affairs with their interns or secretary, homosexuality, etc. The MPs in question were naturally terrified that such revelations might well destroy their marriages or political careers.

Only if they showed loyalty to Major by voting for the Maastricht Treaty would their alleged sordid secrets remain undisclosed in the Whips' little black book of MPs' misdemeanours.

I always assumed this type of stuff was 'par for the course'

It's *possible* that this could lead to a flood of stories from ex-MPs about these practices, leading to an overhaul of the way parliamentary politics work.

A House of Commons #metoo movement, perhaps?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yep, it doesn't feel like something that the general public will just shrug off once it's all played out.

Even I was shocked by the reports of threats and intimidation of tory MPs - threats to harm the MPs' electorate if they don't back Johnson. What the actual ****? The only difference between Johnson and Putin is that Johnson doesn't arrange to have his critics murdered.

(merely beaten up).

What an absolute piece of filth.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I always assumed this type of stuff was 'par for the course'

Call me a 63 year old mug, but I really didn't.

I can understand it over the defence of a policy, especially a policy that was part of the manifesto. Yes, squeeze a few bollocks. But not simply to save the neck of a maveric leader. That's fascism.

 

[Eric the meek]

The big problem Johnson has is it that for some time many in his party have hated him and his leadership, but stuck with it because they thought he was a positive at the ballot box. It now seems apparent that he's no longer going to be so, and it's hugely unlikely he ever will be again. So whereas a leader who commanded more support generally throughout his (or her) party might be able to ride this out, or at least pick a point of their own departure, I don't think Johnson has the goodwill among his own to manage that. When the end comes, it will be swift and it will be brutal. It's more a question of "when" now.

I said a similar thing a few days ago. He won't be leading them into the next election as he is damaged goods. But he may survive for a while longer, depending on what the Sue Grey report contains. The fact that he is so keen for people to 'wait for the Sue Grey report', suggests that he doesn't consider it to be the sword of Damocles.

 

[vegster]

I said a similar thing a few days ago. He won't be leading them into the next election as he is damaged goods. But he may survive for a while longer, depending on what the Sue Grey report contains. The fact that he is so keen for people to 'wait for the Sue Grey report', suggests that he doesn't consider it to be the sword of Damocles.

He will get the report before it is published generally and he will look for a wording or phrase that will be his "Get Out " excuse. We will know he is lying and he will know that we know he is lying but he's going to find 1% of doubt in the report and work on that. As a nation we deserve better than a lying bully and ignoramus, under Johnson we are fast becoming a banana republic and global laughing stock.

 

[clapham_gull]

I said a similar thing a few days ago. He won't be leading them into the next election as he is damaged goods. But he may survive for a while longer, depending on what the Sue Grey report contains. The fact that he is so keen for people to 'wait for the Sue Grey report', suggests that he doesn't consider it to be the sword of Damocles.

They were keen for people to wait so they could try and dump some nonsense policies in the mean time to distract attention and placate the frothing at the mouth wing of the party. Since they were also universally shit at that (operation red meat) it has passed the majority of the general public by.

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[dazzer6666]

He will get the report before it is published generally and he will look for a wording or phrase that will be his "Get Out " excuse. We will know he is lying and he will know that we know he is lying but he's going to find 1% of doubt in the report and work on that. As a nation we deserve better than a lying bully and ignoramus, under Johnson we are fast becoming a banana republic and global laughing stock.

Yep, could probably publish his statement now…….’some actions for us to consider going forward but there is no categoric evidence of wrongdoing………if people are upset I apologise but didn’t knowingly break any rules [your rules, ****wit]……..some of our actions admittedly questionable but evidently not a resignation issue……have the full support of my [threatened] party……difficult times for everyone, jabs in arms, love the NHS blah blah bullshit bullshit……I consider the matter closed’

Rinse and repeat

 

[zefarelly]

It's *possible* that this could lead to a flood of stories from ex-MPs about these practices, leading to an overhaul of the way parliamentary politics work.

A House of Commons #metoo movement, perhaps?

THe only way it'll change is if the whole place burns to the ground ( I Live in hope) and we can start again with a system thats vaguely relevant to modern life and society. We are quite literally living in the dark ages.

 

[The Clamp]

The report should simply be his P45 and eviction notice.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Yep, could probably publish his statement now…….’some actions for us to consider going forward but there is no categoric evidence of wrongdoing………if people are upset I apologise but didn’t knowingly break any rules [your rules, ****wit]……..some of our actions admittedly questionable but evidently not a resignation issue……have the full support of my [threatened] party……difficult times for everyone, jabs in arms, love the NHS blah blah bullshit bullshit……I consider the matter closed’

Rinse and repeat

I’ve said numerous times, hard evidence is needed to nail him - none of this is.

Plenty of people he can throw under the bus.

 

[Pevenseagull]

Even I was shocked by the reports of threats and intimidation of tory MPs - threats to harm the MPs' electorate if they don't back Johnson. What the actual ****? The only difference between Johnson and Putin is that Johnson doesn't arrange to have his critics murdered.

(merely beaten up).

What an absolute piece of filth.

Compared with May's shake of the magic money tree to bribe the DUP.

Bribery, extortion, corruption ... Perhaps we should have a poll?

 

[dazzer6666]

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Compared with May's shake of the magic money tree to bribe the DUP.

Bribery, extortion, corruption ... Perhaps we should have a poll?

Or even a referendum

 

[Audax]

Even I was shocked by the reports of threats and intimidation of tory MPs - threats to harm the MPs' electorate if they don't back Johnson. What the actual ****? The only difference between Johnson and Putin is that Johnson doesn't arrange to have his critics murdered.

(merely beaten up).

What an absolute piece of filth.

Rumours this morning that there is a recording of the whips' threats / intimidation / blackmail and that it might get released.

 

[dazzer6666]

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[Dick Swiveller]

[tweet]148428532950284288[/tweet]

Tories to blame for broken Tweet links in NSC now?

 

[TomandJerry]

Tories to blame for broken Tweet links in NSC now?

Must be the fault of COVID.

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[dazzer6666]

Tories to blame for broken Tweet links in NSC now?

Odd one……thought it might have been deleted but it’s still there

[tweet]1484498757559504897[/tweet]

https://twitter.com/welshwhippet/status/1484498757559504897?s=21

No idea if genuine