[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[rogersix]

Not a good idea.
Every Government, and indeed democracy, needs a strong Opposition to not only keep them in check, but also to offer the populace an alternative.

the next credible opposition needs to be to the left of even newer labour

 

[BLOCK F]

the next credible opposition needs to be to the left of even newer labour

Haha,yes, bring back Jezza.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Not a good idea.
Every Government, and indeed democracy, needs a strong Opposition to not only keep them in check, but also to offer the populace an alternative.

Well up until Nicola Sturgeon announced her departure, the latest polls had the SNP in prime place to become His Majesty's Loyal Opposition next election

 

[clapham_gull]

That's the problem with a compulsive liar - they just can't stop.

Throw in his statement about Sue Gray playing to the GBNews crowd....

The reality being the committee haven't used her report and she isn't being called to give evidence.

 

[BLOCK F]

Well up until Nicola Sturgeon announced her departure, the latest polls had the SNP in prime place to become His Majesty's Loyal Opposition next election

Yes, I read about that and also that back in 2016 the SNP were going to request that they become the Official Oppo to the Conservatives, because’ they enjoy more support from their own MPs than Labour led by Jezza’. Apparently this followed a confidence vote in which only 40 MPs expressed support for Corbyn.
It is never going to happen, but, ‘our survey says’ as the saying goes.
I say resurrect an old hero of mine, Screaming Lord Sutch and the Monster Raving Loony Party. That’ll put the fear of god up any party in power.
.

 

[rogersix]

Haha,yes, bring back Jezza.

assuming starmer wins, where do the tories go, politically?

 

[clapham_gull]

assuming starmer wins, where do the tories go, politically?

Well we only really have the Blair years for comparison. They would lurch to the right before moving back to the centre.

But I'm not sure how they can lurch any more "right wing" with not even Europe to argue about.

Ideologically they are a busted flush. Tossing a coin I'd say full on bat shit crazy small state neo-liberal for a few years.

They are also going to be very very challenged if they allow their membership to take more control.

 

[The Clamp]

assuming starmer wins, where do the tories go, politically?

They’ll face a mass resignation for starters. So many of the current party are corrupt and base their lifestyle on being able to siphon the public purse into their bank accounts .

They also rely on corporations wining and dining and lobbying them.

Plus they largely employ their family as staff .

Once these sources disappear, so will the suckling pigs.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

assuming starmer wins, where do the tories go, politically?

I was going to suggest the nearest free port, oh!

 

[BLOCK F]

assuming starmer wins, where do the tories go, politically?

Well, I think it is pretty safe to say Labour will win the next election and so they should. The Tories have been in power for too long and have not only run out of ideas( like all Governments do if they have been in the hot seats for too long),but have had the misfortune to be led by Johnson and Truss for some of that time.
I have no crystal ball, but I believe a substantial number of MPs will not stand at the next election and a substantial number will be booted out by the electorate. The party will then lose the election after the next one, but may well regain a few seats and will have time to regather, lose the lunatic fringe, discover fresh young talent and formulate some sensible centre right policies. Really, they will do what any Opposition party would do if they want to get back into power and so they won’t ‘frighten the horses.’ This is what Sir Keir has had to do with the Labour Party. The country will not vote for any party seen to be straying too far away from the centre ground.
In the meantime, it will be interesting to hear what plans the Labour Party have for the country. It will be a tough gig, that’s for sure, so I don’t expect any miracles.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Mad to think people believed anything this **** said, all about his ego.



Matt Hancock shared a memo from a "wise friend" about how his career could be propelled "into the next league" by the Covid pandemic in January 2020, shortly after the first cases of the virus emerged in China.

The message is among a number that can be disclosed by the Telegraph as part of the Lockdown Files where the then health secretary discusses his image and ambitions.

At one point, he remarks "f--- that’s good" to an adviser in response to a poll showing the popularity of Cabinet ministers.

At the very start of the pandemic on Jan 29, 2020, when Covid cases in Britain were in single figures, the then health secretary passed his aide a message setting out how he could use “a crisis of this scale to propel [himself] into the next league”.

The British Government had just started to respond to the situation in Wuhan, where a new virus was posing a global threat.

An evacuation flight from China touched down at RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire, and the nation watched as 87 Britons and 27 foreign nationals on board were taken under police escort to quarantine facilities in the Wirral.

Two Chinese nationals in York became the first people in Britain to test positive for Covid.

At this moment, Mr Hancock messaged his media special adviser, Jamie Njoku-Goodwin:

It is not the only text conversation involving Mr Hancock during the pandemic which mentions his career.
He accepted advice from George Osborne, the former chancellor, and strategised with Lord Bethell of Romford – a close friend who would frequently coach him through Zoom calls in real time.
Messages obtained by the Telegraph suggest that the former health secretary was mindful of his appearance in general. When a press report criticised his behaviour during lockdown, he responded: “I think I look great!” After he embarked on his affair with his adviser Gina Coladangelo, he also turned to her to decide whether to release pictures of him surfing.


He also appears to have been concerned with his social media output. Throughout the pandemic, he exchanged more than 22,000 messages with staff, editing or approving social media posts. “I want people to think I’m working so hard I’m crazy”, he told one of his advisers.

On April 17 and April 18, as Helen Whately, his social care minister, was struggling to pin him down for conversations about PPE supplied to care homes, he sent her a total of five WhatsApp messages in their one-to-one chat - but 72 to the team in charge of sending out his tweets.

On Dec 29 2020, at the height of the second wave, half of Britain had just spent Christmas in confinement, and the number of daily Covid infections had just surpassed 50,000.

Emma Dean, the health secretary’s special adviser, sent him a link to a YouGov poll. It is not clear what the poll showed:

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

30 On 8 December 2021, Mr Johnson told the House “I have been repeatedly assured since these allegations emerged that there was no party and that no Covid rules were broken”;45 and that “I have been repeatedly assured that the rules were not broken”.46 We will examine the basis of his assertion that he had received “repeated assurances” that all rules had been complied with to discover why he sought to rely on purported assurances from others when he was there at gatherings in question. We will consider why he said he had been given repeated assurances when the evidence is that the assertion that all rules were followed was taken primarily from a line-to-take developed by the Director of Communications at No. 10, a special adviser appointed by Mr Johnson, as a response to a media enquiry about specific gatherings rather than having been a general assurance as to the fact that no guidance or rules were broken in No. 10.

Unbelievable.

Presumably he has received repeated assurances from his advisors throughout his life that f***ing other women while married is not in any way a breach of his marriage vows.

As Roy Keane might have said, I think he's a ***t

 

[WATFORD zero]

Unbelievable.

Presumably he has received repeated assurances from his advisors throughout his life that f***ing other women while married is not in any way a breach of his marriage vows.

As Roy Keane might have said, I think he's a ***t

Let's be honest HWT, anyone who has had the slightest interest in politics or knew anything about Johnson had many years ago realised he was a complete ***t long before Cameron decided a referendum was the best way to unite his party and Johnson ran to the front of Farage's swivel eyed loon brigade shouting 'follow me'

And that's why we are where we are

 

[The Clamp]

And yet there remains a vast amount of people that still believe the narrative of Johnson and his cabinet saving Britain.

This, combined with the recent up-selling of Sunak’s NI agreement that has now somehow been packaged as “delivering Brexit” means a nailed-on Labour landslide is not as nailed-on as people think. In my opinion.

 

[BLOCK F]

And yet there remains a vast amount of people that still believe the narrative of Johnson and his cabinet saving Britain.

This, combined with the recent up-selling of Sunak’s NI agreement that has now somehow been packaged as “delivering Brexit” means a nailed-on Labour landslide is not as nailed-on as people think. In my opinion.

I may be wrong, but I do feel that the oven has been turned on and that Johnson’s goose will be properly cooked before too long.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Let's be honest HWT, anyone who has had the slightest interest in politics or knew anything about Johnson had many years ago realised he was a complete ***t long before Cameron decided a referendum was the best way to unite his party and Johnson ran to the front of Farage's swivel eyed loon brigade shouting 'follow me'

And that's why we are where we are

Well, indeed. But he now has to face down the parliamentary committee whose tory members will know that backing him (exonerating him, meaning he could return to parliament on a white horse) will undermine Sunak. And....I believe that a majority of tory MPs are not inclined to pretend that lies are actually the truth.

It is ironic that Johnson may be finished simply because he has been caught lying about the lies he told. His sole defense is that he doesn't know what constitutes a lie.

"The failings of a drowning man" is how he has just been described on the radio by the former private secretary of Margaret Thatcher.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Let's be honest HWT, anyone who has had the slightest interest in politics or knew anything about Johnson had many years ago realised he was a complete ***t long before Cameron decided a referendum was the best way to unite his party and Johnson ran to the front of Farage's swivel eyed loon brigade shouting 'follow me'

And that's why we are where we are

And we could’ve had chaos with Ed Milliband.

 

[BLOCK F]

Well, indeed. But he now has to face down the parliamentary committee whose tory members will know that backing him (exonerating him, meaning he could return to parliament on a white horse) will undermine Sunak. And....I believe that a majority of tory MPs are not inclined to pretend that lies are actually the truth.

It is ironic that Johnson may be finished simply because he has been caught lying about the lies he told. His sole defense is that he doesn't know what constitutes a lie.

"The failings of a drowning man" is how he has just been described on the radio by the former private secretary of Margaret Thatcher.

Drowning man or cooked goose, I don’t really mind!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Drowning man or cooked goose, I don’t really mind!

Oven ready, now

 

[Motogull]

That's the problem with a compulsive liar - they just can't stop.

Referring back to the "Nor is there any evidence in the report that" point, I find it compelling that he did not say "I did not....". He knew he was rule breaking, he didn't care and lying about it is normal for him. Fukk him and the poor horse he rode in on.