[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[WATFORD zero]

It's far from perfect, but switching from FPTP to an Aussie-style Preferential system would be a step in the right direction. At least with a preferences system, those voters hard-opposed to a Tory government can freely vote for their preferred centre / left party in the knowledge that they can put the others ahead of the Tories and still see their vote count to potentially prevent a Tory MP in their seat.

As it stands with FPTP, you need to see a large % of the electorate choose to vote tactically. Tends to work in by elections (cf recent Lib Dem wins), but not so well in a GE - especially when you have competing tactical voting sites with opposing recommendations (as we did at the last GE). With preferential system, tactical voting becomes a whole lot easier. Don't want a Tory MP? Put them last on your ballot paper. If at least 50.01% of the electorate in your seat do the same, then you don't get a Tory elected. Job done.

How many seats out there had a centre-left majority at the last GE and yet still returned a Tory MP with substantially less than 50% of the vote going to a Tory or a.n.other right party? Guessing the answer is plenty, and while we might still have a Tory government right now it certainly wouldn't be an 80-seat majority.

I think that what is missed with FPTP is that it actively encourages huge coalition parties that have extremes at both wings, that they try to then manage in order to be electable. If cracks start to show, they then have to try and wallpaper over those cracks taking more and more desperate measures, in order to stay in power (see Cameron). All power struggles are contained within that one party with no input from the electorate at large. So if one extremist group in the party then managed to take over completely and kicked out anyone not from that side, that is what the country will get.

Could you imagine what could happen

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

The laughing emoji sufficient to do this response justice hasn't been invented, you stupid imbecile.

Back to the abuse again. Predictable.

 

[nwgull]

Back to the abuse again. Predictable.

Not abuse; it's just fact. Anyone who thinks that Brexit has gone well at this stage is clearly an imbecile.

 

[Stat Brother]

The press would have hounded Corbyn out of the job long before he could have:-

Lied to the Queen.
Held illegal parties.
Handed billions of pounds over to friends.
Allowed Hancock to be a hanCock.

And of course




Strided manfully, unmasked, through a f**king hospital.



Thank God our press is independent.

 

[El Presidente]

Biggest winners from all of this are China and Russia. They can point out to the choices of Johnson v Corbyn here in the UK and Trump v Biden in the US and say to their people, "Well if that's all that democracy has to offer, you might as well keep with an autocratic regime instead".

 

[WATFORD zero]

Back to the abuse again. Predictable.

Not abuse; it's just fact. Anyone who thinks that Brexit has gone well at this stage is clearly an imbecile.

Sorry, but maybe you two should pick this up on the Brexit thread, plenty of detailed discussion on how it's going there

 

[keaton]

But, again, that's not the point. Corbyn was NEVER going to win a General Election in this country, but by being on the ballot paper it effectively handed Johnson the keys to Number 10.

But why? Why is Corbyn unelectable and Johnson and Trump are?

Liz Truss is likely to the next PM, Is she electable? I wouldn't just not trust her to lead the country, I wouldn't trust her to do my scanning at work

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Not abuse; it's just fact. Anyone who thinks that Brexit has gone well at this stage is clearly an imbecile.

I have seen nothing in any of your posts to suggest your views are worth taking that seriously and yet have never felt the need to call you names.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Biggest winners from all of this are China and Russia. They can point out to the choices of Johnson v Corbyn here in the UK and Trump v Biden in the US and say to their people, "Well if that's all that democracy has to offer, you might as well keep with an autocratic regime instead".

I'm starting to think benign dictatorship is the best way forward

 

[El Presidente]

I'm starting to think benign dictatorship is the best way forward

I wonder if it is regularly mentioned on a DULLARD hosted podcast?

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

And herein lies the problem.
As an electorate we believe a credible Prime ministerial candidate should be:

• Upper class
• Self serving
• Dismissive of the needs of the common person

We get the government we deserve because we consistently vote for *****.

We do. This is true.

And the parties elect people like this to lead these parties because they know that the public will hold their nose and vote for proven dishonest or incompetent people.

While the public doesn't demand better and act on those demands in the ballot box, we'll continue to be served up with this dross

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Sorry, but maybe you two should pick this up on the Brexit thread, plenty of detailed discussion on how it's going there

Thanks, but with the quality of debate that comes from nwgull I think I will pass.

 

[vegster]

Biggest winners from all of this are China and Russia. They can point out to the choices of Johnson v Corbyn here in the UK and Trump v Biden in the US and say to their people, "Well if that's all that democracy has to offer, you might as well keep with an autocratic regime instead".

Was it Theresa May who coined the slogan of " Strong and Stable " for the Tory Government?... A lot has changed since that [emoji1787]!!!!

 

[nwgull]

Thanks but with the quality of debate that comes from NW Gull I think I will pass.

Because you know that you'd never win any fight against me involving brain power, thicko.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Thanks, but with the quality of debate that comes from nwgull I think I will pass.

I'd be interested to know the reasons why you think it's going well ? (Over on the correct thread of course ). See you over there in 5 ?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It's clearly not, regardless of how much you want it to be, alas.

I've stated on here, repeaedly, how bad I think Johnson has been.

And whilst I have no idea how Corbyn would have faired as PM, it's hard to imagine anyone could have been worse than what we've had. So I'm certainly willing to guess that Corbyn would have done a better job. (Sorry for saying that, as I know it's just blown your narrative about me.)

But, again, that's not the point. Corbyn was NEVER going to win a General Election in this country, but by being on the ballot paper it effectively handed Johnson the keys to Number 10.

Very elegantly put

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Because you know that you'd never win any fight against me involving brain power, thicko.

That's not the most well-judged comment I have ever read on NSB. NB is a very measured poster in my not-very-humble opinion

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Thanks, but with the quality of debate that comes from nwgull I think I will pass.

But that was a bit rude, though.

 

[nwgull]

That's not the most well-judged comment I have ever read on NSB. NB is a very measured poster in my not-very-humble opinion

Anyone who still thinks that Brexit is going well at this stage is trying to justify their incorrect choice and is not using measured judgement.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sorry not sorry.

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