[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[TomandJerry]

Suella Braverman, the attorney general, says there is an overwhelming sense of despair among Conservative MPs and “the time has come for the PM to step down”.
She told the Peston programme on ITV it is “untenable” for him to continue as leader.

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[portlock seagull]

Plague and asteroids I can live with - I think the line should be drawn at assassination though, particularly in light of the fact two MP's have been murdered in the past few years. It ain't a joking matter, really!

Actually, forgotten that so can understand why you thought that. Both lovely MPs, I was saddened by their murders. Never happens to the bad guys does it?! And our PM definitely not one of the good guys. Putin, Trump, Johnson are/were state leaders though, way more powerful and destructive/divisive. Definitely won’t shed any tears of when they exit stage left by whatever means!

 

[lawros left foot]

Is anyone else getting ‘Downfall’ vibes?


Johnson as Hitler, completely deluded, Mad Nads as Goebbels Missus, and various Senior officials with nowhere else to go.


BrunoGanz would struggle to play Johnson though, he’s not that fat.

https://twitter.com/mrjondeplume/status/1544771621566746627?s=21&t=zHYyVzvlU3PALiunXOVywA

 

[Eric the meek]

The danger being, of course, that IF he survives this there will be sectors of the electorate who will admire that tenacity and vote for him in a GE.
At this point, it would be folly to rule out anything. The man has defied political gravity before. He may do so again.

However unlikely that may seem today.

I can just see the slogans now.

Never give up.
Keep on going.
Drive over lemons.
Replace the quitters.

 

[darkwolf666]

The danger being, of course, that IF he survives this there will be sectors of the electorate who will admire that tenacity and vote for him in a GE.
At this point, it would be folly to rule out anything. The man has defied political gravity before. He may do so again.

However unlikely that may seem today.

He won't survive this - however, he may have to be dragged out of number 10 by his tousled hair, as he won't go quietly you can rest assured of that.

I mean, what has he actually got to lose by sticking it out? Everyone knows he is a narcissistic, lying, devious, chancer, so it's not like it's going to affect him personally, is it?

 

[warmleyseagull]

The party are in such a bad state they are heading for a decade in the wilderness like themselves and Labour before. Boris is simply a symptom of what the party have become.

Free spending populism and only catering for your core vote only gets you so far.

Yes and no. Probably right that they SHOULD be looking to decade in wilderness, but Conservatives are nothing if not ruthlessly good at keeping themselves in power; they are after all the oldest political party still standing in the world. There are some wackos in it but they do tend to restrain themselves just enough not to self-destruct.

And they seamlessly morph their policies to suit the following wind; let's be frank, BJ is not even a proper Tory; his economics are spend and don't bother taxing, tomorrow will never come. Remember austerity....., never anywhere near his lexicon. A new leader will remodel; may not work because he or she faces a veritable flood of outside influences that he or she can do nothing about.

Don't shoot messenger: I for one am appalled at the way <30s are being treated when my generation get 10% pension rise that most of us don't need. But in cool light of day, you have not merely to moan at one shower of shit but also to look at the alternatives. I think it is delusional to say that things would be materially (actually any) better with an alternative regime; we have a perfect storm of extraneous problems exacerbated by the stupidity of Brexit (that Labour has now given up on); there is not great deal any party can do presently.

 

[clapham_gull]

The danger being, of course, that IF he survives this there will be sectors of the electorate who will admire that tenacity and vote for him in a GE.
At this point, it would be folly to rule out anything. The man has defied political gravity before. He may do so again.

However unlikely that may seem today.

There will be a sizeable minority, but they are completely bonkers.

The reality is that elections are won in marginal constituencies by people who flip from one party to another. The Tories won't win another election with him in charge.

It's purely hypothetical anyway. The party are finished with him.

 

[darkwolf666]

Actually, forgotten that so can understand why you thought that. Both lovely MPs, I was saddened by their murders. Never happens to the bad guys does it?! And our PM definitely not one of the good guys. Putin, Trump, Johnson are/were state leaders though, way more powerful and destructive/divisive. Definitely won’t shed any tears of when they exit stage left by whatever means!

Followed by a bear?

 

[The Clamp]

The walking dead still walk. The man is a revenant.

 

[jimhigham]

Could ALL news networks please stop with vox pops from the public. They provide no facts that the public can use. Generally they only provide small snippets of general ignorance. The respondents might even be very well informed but once their answers have been boiled down to five seconds, who knows?

Utterly pointless.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Tory meltdown incoming...

Now little Matty Hancock on Peston getting the knife in. Will he launch a leadership bid now too?

 

[The Clamp]

 

[Uh_huh_him]

He won't survive this - however, he may have to be dragged out of number 10 by his tousled hair, as he won't go quietly you can rest assured of that.

I mean, what has he actually got to lose by sticking it out? Everyone knows he is a narcissistic, lying, devious, chancer, so it's not like it's going to affect him personally, is it?

I can't see him being left with any other option than to call an Election.
His only chance of regaining the power he craves is by proving he still has a mandate.

I wouldn't put it past the electorate to give it to him
I can see Labour ****ing it up, because it seems a foregone conclusion he would lose,

 

[clapham_gull]

Yes and no. Probably right that they SHOULD be looking to decade in wilderness, but Conservatives are nothing if not ruthlessly good at keeping themselves in power.

I've said the same many times on here, but they've imploded internally like they did under the last days of Thatcher and then Major. Arguably much worse.

As part of that survival and success they know they need to be out of power every now and then to fix themselves. Same applies to Labour.

Inevitably out of power there will be a war between the centrists and the loony fringe whilst they re-invent themselves and that takes time.

 

[clapham_gull]

I can't see him being left with any other option than to call an Election.

That's going to very difficult without a cabinet.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Credits on Newsnight superb

 

[portlock seagull]

The danger being, of course, that IF he survives this there will be sectors of the electorate who will admire that tenacity and vote for him in a GE.
At this point, it would be folly to rule out anything. The man has defied political gravity before. He may do so again.

However unlikely that may seem today. I know it seems impossible but don’t think this is over . It’s not. Not by a long way.

A lot of truth in this. Like in America where the shadow of Trump still looms large, including his children. An awful lot hangs on the ongoing enquiry where Trump will hopefully be brought to trial. Because Americans need to send a signal for a future Trumps that believe they too can take a wrecking ball to the Office and use for personal vendettas and vanity.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Credits on Newsnight superb

Agreed. Stunningly good.

 

[warmleyseagull]

I've said the same many times on here, but they've imploded internally like they did under the last days of Thatcher and then Major. Arguably much worse.

Hmm. I'm not so sure. They had another 7 years after Thatcher and saw off Kinnock in that time. Yes, Major ran out of road but Labour had done some heavy lifting in the meantime to make itself electable with one of the best post-war leaders (until Iraq) the country has had. I don't see that with KS; he has done some dirty work but has a charisma bypass. Labour is also in the guacamole/fish and chips - aka university lecturer/Brexiteer in Burnley - quandary over who they are aiming at.

 

[Eric the meek]

I've said the same many times on here, but they've imploded internally like they did under the last days of Thatcher and then Major. Arguably much worse.

As part of that survival and success they know they need to be out of power every now and then to fix themselves. Same applies to Labour.

Inevitably out of power there will be a war between the centrists and the loony fringe whilst they re-invent themselves and that takes time.

You would have thought that, having won the Brexit vote, the loony fringe would have assuaged their bloodlust.

But the slow burn of discovering that Brexit isn't the answer to anything, may cause them to become even more loony. A wave machine to capsize the migrants' boats wasn't deemed final enough, so we got the Rwanda solution instead.