[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[zefarelly]

So, you voted for someone you knew was a buffoon because he said he would 'Get Brexit Done'. It should hardly come as a surprise then that the buffoon still hasn't, and now has an unimplementable Northern Irish Protocol about to blow up in his face, can't 'Take Back Control' of borders because his import controls, according to JRM are 'an act of self-harm', has raging food costs, dying exports, shortages of care staff etc etc etc. I hate to be the one to break it to you but 'Get Brexit Done' was a simple lie and you got taken in by it/him.

But now you want to change your mind and get rid of him. Excellent Only another 2.5 years to go then.

And this isn't a Tory/Labour thing as I have stated numerous times, I have voted for candidates from all the major parties over the years and I'm guessing (it's a lot of years) that my Labour/Tory votes are probably about even, maybe a little more blue than red.

This is about the simple stupidity of backing again and again, a proven lying, duplicitous, unscrupulous, self obsessed, deceitful, unprincipled, corrupt, egotistical **** who had a history of being a proven lying, duplicitous, unscrupulous, self obsessed, deceitful, unprincipled, corrupt, egotistical **** long before 2015 and then being surprised to find out you've been backing a proven lying, duplicitous, unscrupulous, self obsessed, deceitful, unprincipled, corrupt, egotistical ****

Make no mistake, this isn't political, this is personal.

Hear Hear

I agree with Audax, there are some good troy MP's, but they're only good for themselves and the minority, they don't give a flying **** about the common man, whom is the majority, that is the very nature of the party, aspirational yes, selfish, yes, greedy, yes. Sharing and caring? most definitely not. The vast majority of tories are the enemy of the people.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Looks like a cave in on a windfall tax, something that voted against just 9 days ago in parliament. Desperate...

They stand for nothing and no doubt their sycophants will now be cheering the Labour policy from the rooftops. They will fall for anything

A man who waits to see the way the crowd is running and then dashes in front and says, ‘Follow me' as Lord Heseltine said of Johnson 4 years ago.

This Government aren't Tories, they're nothing but populist chancers.

 

[nicko31]

It’s OK. Now I understand why our Prime Minister did what he did. He was displaying great leadership through attending and condoning leaving parties for staff and other work ‘events’ to boost morale of Downing Street staff (the most essential of all his duties as the leader of our entire country).

There is no doubt that it was a genuinely difficult time to be in government, which of course absolutely explains why people were allowed to gather until the small hours, drinking plenty of morale-boosting wine and singing morale-boosting karaoke classics. It was clearly a far more difficult time to be employed in Downing Street than for those families that were unable to be with their loved ones in their final days and hours. Those families’ morale could take care of itself, right? The nation’s morale could whistle, as long as the Downing Street SPADs, spin doctors and flunkies could get wasted and break the swing in #10’s garden. There is obviously no other way for a leader to boost morale than through parties.

It is good to know that Johnson believes that an employer’s “essential duty to recognise achievement and preserve morale” is more important than, say, the duty of a wife or husband to be with and comfort their spouse on their death bed. Or a father’s duty to be with his other half throughout a long and distressing labour. Otherwise, how would somebody responsible for making one illegal feel it was his ‘essential duty’ to do the other?

Johnson says it was “an important part of his role to say goodbye to departing colleagues”. Was this a more important part of his role as Prime Minister than abiding by the rules he himself introduced? A more important part of his role than not breaking the law? A more important part of his role than showing moral leadership to a nation in the grip of a crisis?

Every time he opens his mouth to try and justify what he did, every time he claims to ‘take full responsibility’, it just makes me angrier at the way in which he just takes the nation for fools.

The one silver lining is that the shambles of a party he leads has no credible alternative, so the clown will still be in post for the next general election. That gives the best possible chance of getting this bunch out. If he gets in again, then frankly there’s no hope and the country deserves to go even further down the pan.

I hear you. But what if we did get another term of Johnson I think we really would be down the pan.

I'd prefer it if the country was spared now, but only if they got a new leader from outside this corrupt cabinet, eg Hunt, Tom T, even Penny M...

And this even if there was a risk the Tories had a better chance of winning the next election.

Every month its more and more damage at home and abroad. We need a proper government ASAP....

 

[nicko31]

A man who waits to see the way the crowd is running and then dashes in front and says, ‘Follow me' as Lord Heseltine said of Johnson 4 years ago.

This Government aren't Tories, they're nothing but populist chancers.

They represent nothing, there is no governance, just campaigning. An occasional U-turn shows you listen, but when is continuous it just shows they don't know what they're doing

 

[A1X]

Below is a Tweet thread that I think is essential reading. Powerful stuff in here.

[tweet]1529739456068067328[/tweet]

Exceptionally sobering stuff. Also rather puts the Churchill thing from Johnson yesterday around "we wouldn't have won the war if we'd banned booze at No. 10" thing in the context of war, as during the Blitz the major players (heads of the three arms of the forces, the PM, the deputy PM and the King) were never, ever in the same place so if one got taken out the others weren't. Even when they did meet in any number it was in a bunker somewhere to offer maximum protection.

 

[Eric the meek]

A man who waits to see the way the crowd is running and then dashes in front and says, ‘Follow me' as Lord Heseltine said of Johnson 4 years ago.

This Government aren't Tories, they're nothing but populist chancers.

I hadn't heard that quote before now, but it fits, absolutely.

I remember watching the world's press camped outside Boris's house, waiting to hear which side of Brexit, remain or leave, Boris was going to support, very late in the campaign. Around that time, it emerged that he had written two articles for the Telegraph, one in favour of Brexit, and one against. He wasn't deliberating over what was the best choice for the country. That was immaterial to him. No, he was deliberating on what was the best choice for Boris; the choice that would more likely put him in No. 10.

For me, nothing better encapsulates what Boris is.

 

[MJsGhost]

I hear you. But what if we did get another term of Johnson I think we really would be down the pan.

I'd prefer it if the country was spared now, but only if they got a new leader from outside this corrupt cabinet, eg Hunt, Tom T, even Penny M...

And this even if there was a risk the Tories had a better chance of winning the next election.

Every month its more and more damage at home and abroad. We need a proper government ASAP....

Whilst I agree, I just can't see the Tories getting rid of him. If he survives a vote of no confidence, he'll treat it as a further 'mandate' to keep doing what he's doing (or worse even).

I'm writing another letter to my local MP (Maria Caulfield) who is a classic Johnson lickspittle and will be including a screengrab of the donation I've just made to the Lewes LibDems. It's a relatively small majority she holds over the LibDems, so whilst I'm not exactly their biggest fan, I'll be lending them my vote as well as helping them out financially. Every little helps!

I have never felt this politically engaged, so I suppose some good has come from having someone so monumentally awful in power.

 

[Randy McNob]

I'm not sure anyone on this forum hates ALL Tories, just all those that support this current shambles of a self-serving government.

It's basically UKIP with a Tory sticker on it

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Whilst I agree, I just can't see the Tories getting rid of him. If he survives a vote of no confidence, he'll treat it as a further 'mandate' to keep doing what he's doing (or worse even).

I'm writing another letter to my local MP (Maria Caulfield) who is a classic Johnson lickspittle and will be including a screengrab of the donation I've just made to the Lewes LibDems. It's a relatively small majority she holds over the LibDems, so whilst I'm not exactly their biggest fan, I'll be lending them my vote as well as helping them out financially. Every little helps!

I have never felt this politically engaged, so I suppose some good has come from having someone so monumentally awful in power.

Snap apart from the donation to James MaCleary (who is actually a good bloke doing a good job on the local council}.

 

[Igzilla]

I'd say the best way to ensure a Tory defeat at the next GE is to keep Johnson in office.

 

[Randy McNob]

Here you go geezer.

I want Boris ousted as PM, and whether he is or isn’t I will not be voting Tory at the next election.

I voted for him last time even though I thought he was a buffoon. He was the only leader offering both clarity on Brexit and promising to carry out the vote consequences. Others were talking of ignoring the vote or fudging in some way or other. I voted against Brexit, but felt it important that the spirit of the referendum was respected.

I have often said that two terms Tory v one term Labour would possibly be a good outcome for the UK over the longer term, stopping the excesses of one and too much damage from the other. I think it is despicable of Johnson not to resign right now, but believe it will make no difference in the medium term as the electorate will not forget the crass, uncaring behaviour currently on display from this set of Tories.

But a word of caution. NSC seems to have become a sounding board for people actually hating all Tories, and tarring them all with the same brush. There are those who will not be missed, PPF for instance, but the demonisation of normal people with an opposing political views is not something to be proud of, sounds a little to much like communism. It is also worth bearing in mind that a small percentage of former Tory voters will be needed to achieve a Labour majority. So from here to the next GE Keir Starmer will have my support on most matters, unless he strays into Corbyn territory of course.

It's the current cabal that are ruining it for the whole Tory party, glad that you distance yourself from them. I actually liked Cameron, he was harmless and had integrity. There are alot of very good tory MPs kept away from the cabinet because they wont agree to be Boris yes men, so we only have the dregs who pretend they support Brexit, and defend Johnson in the media

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

It's the current cabal that are ruining it for the whole Tory party, glad that you distance yourself from them. I actually liked Cameron, he was harmless and had integrity. There are alot of very good tory MPs kept away from the cabinet because they wont agree to be Boris yes men, so we only have the dregs who pretend they support Brexit, and defend Johnson in the media

And of course a lot of the very decent, honest, hard working and sensible ones have been booted out of the party.

 

[nicko31]

Whilst I agree, I just can't see the Tories getting rid of him. If he survives a vote of no confidence, he'll treat it as a further 'mandate' to keep doing what he's doing (or worse even).

I'm writing another letter to my local MP (Maria Caulfield) who is a classic Johnson lickspittle and will be including a screengrab of the donation I've just made to the Lewes LibDems. It's a relatively small majority she holds over the LibDems, so whilst I'm not exactly their biggest fan, I'll be lending them my vote as well as helping them out financially. Every little helps!

I have never felt this politically engaged, so I suppose some good has come from having someone so monumentally awful in power.

The one thing Johnson has done is engaged people in politics, its amazing what lies and corruption do

 

[The Clamp]

It's the current cabal that are ruining it for the whole Tory party, glad that you distance yourself from them. I actually liked Cameron, he was harmless and had integrity. There are alot of very good tory MPs kept away from the cabinet because they wont agree to be Boris yes men, so we only have the dregs who pretend they support Brexit, and defend Johnson in the media

Cameron? Harmless? He declared the EU referendum to appease his far right backbenchers.

Integrity? He buggered off when it went sideways.


He ruined Britain.

 

[Bodian]

It's the current cabal that are ruining it for the whole Tory party, glad that you distance yourself from them. I actually liked Cameron, he was harmless and had integrity. There are alot of very good tory MPs kept away from the cabinet because they wont agree to be Boris yes men, so we only have the dregs who pretend they support Brexit, and defend Johnson in the media

Cameron? Harmless? He declared the EU referendum to appease his far right backbenchers.

Integrity? He buggered off when it went sideways.


He ruined Britain.

The latter is just what I was going to say.

 

[Audax]

Cameron? Harmless? He declared the EU referendum to appease his far right backbenchers.

Integrity? He buggered off when it went sideways.


He ruined Britain.

Would also say here that he led the government that kept austerity going so long, and had a Home Office that created the "Hostile Environment" policy, that it created the environment that made a brexit referendum winnable for Leave.

As much as the Tory's have declined as a credible government since Cameron left, there's a lot that Cameron has to take some of the blame for.

 

[nicko31]

Cameron? Harmless? He declared the EU referendum to appease his far right backbenchers.

Integrity? He buggered off when it went sideways.


He ruined Britain.

His austerity created the environment for Brexit, then after failing to win an election for 23 years the Tories gambled the future of our kids on the future of their party.

Its ironic that the party who created the grievance went onto convince the aggrieved to make their lives even worse.

You really have to hand it to them....

 

[sydney]

Cameron? Harmless? He declared the EU referendum to appease his far right backbenchers.

Integrity? He buggered off when it went sideways.




He ruined Britain.

Another Murdoch plant.

 

[sydney]

His austerity created the environment for Brexit, then after failing to win an election for 23 years the Tories gambled the future of our kids on the future of their party.

Its ironic that the party who created the grievance went onto convince the aggrieved to make their lives even worse.

You really have to hand it to them....

Plenty of help from Newscorp

 

[BLOCK F]

thats how our undemocratic system works. Those tory voters in the heartlands vote for their decent Tory candidate but that then endorses Johnson.

How many Tory voters would still vote for a Boris led Party despite hating him and wanting a more Cameron / May style centre right conservative government?

Well, this Tory voter will not be voting for the Conservative party whilst Johnson is leader.
I think he has proved himself to be totally unsuitable to be PM and the man has no shame. I would be more than delighted if he resigned or was deposed today.