beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
- Thread starter TomandJerry
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- Jul 10, 2003
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I am keen to know if you have a serious comment to make.... What do you mean by this?
Poor old Boris - he’s being systematically ruined by a very intelligent, narcissistic psychopath with a grudge and a ton of evidence. Doesn’t stand a chance. Oh well.
pastafarian
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What are you expecting your kids to get up to in order to lose their citizenship?
Nationality and Borders Bill: Deprivation of Citizenship Factsheet
Published 3 December 2021
What is ‘deprivation of citizenship’?
• Maintaining our national security and keeping the public safe are the government’s top priorities.
• Removing someone’s British citizenship, also known as deprivation of citizenship, can be used as a last resort against the most dangerous people who pose a risk to society or those whose conduct involves very high harm. It is rare, and always comes with a right to appeal.
• The power has been possible for over a century, since the 1914 British Nationality and Status of Aliens Act. It is currently also contained within the British Nationality Act 1981 and can be done for two reasons.
1. Deprivation of citizenship on ‘conducive to the public good’ grounds is reserved for those who pose a threat to the UK or whose conduct involves very high harm, for example in response to activities such as those involving:
• national security including espionage and acts of terrorism
• unacceptable behaviour such as the ‘glorification’ of terrorism
• war crimes
• and serious and organised crime
This is used sparingly and against those who pose a serious threat to the UK and cannot leave anyone stateless. The Home Secretary decides each case personally.
2. Deprivation of citizenship on ‘fraud’ grounds is for those who obtained their citizenship fraudulently and so were never entitled to it in the first place.
• From 2010 to 2018 (the latest figures on record), on average only around 19 people a year were deprived of their citizenship.
• An individual in the UK who has been deprived of their British citizenship no longer has any UK immigration status - they might still be granted leave to remain or steps can be taken to remove them. If they are overseas, they cannot re-enter the UK using a British passport.
What does the Nationality and Borders Bill do in relation to deprivation of citizenship?
• The Nationality and Borders Bill does not change any existing rights or circumstances in which a person could be deprived of their citizenship.
• Though we will always try to tell an individual that their citizenship is to be deprived, it might not be possible in exceptional circumstances.
• For example, this may be because we do not know where they are, or because they are in a war zone where we can’t get in touch with them, or because informing them would reveal sensitive intelligence sources.
• It is vital, including to our national security, that we ensure that just because we cannot immediately tell a person they are to be deprived of British citizenship, it doesn’t make the decision any less valid or prevent the deprivation order being made.
• The Bill allows for the Home Office to deprive someone of their citizenship without delivering physical notification to them but only in exceptional circumstances, as above. Process and safeguards already in place
• Decisions are made following careful consideration of advice from officials and lawyers and in accordance with international law. Each case is assessed individually. When seeking to deprive an individual of their British citizenship on the basis that it is ‘conducive to the public good’, the law requires that this action only proceeds if the individual would not be left stateless.
• An individual can seek to exercise their statutory right to appeal against the decision - even if not aware of their deprivation at the time. The clause in the Nationality and Borders Bill would not impact the individual’s right to appeal. We would explain their appeal rights when they make contact with us.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ers-bill-deprivation-of-citizenship-factsheet
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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T.G
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Do you seriously expect them to implement this legislation fairly and responsibly
Have you heard of the hostile policy ? Did you see what happened with Windrush? Australians and Canadians are probably well down on the hit list (Cant imagine why), but I would not trust this legislation or them (Tories, Judiciary) to implement it.
Have you heard of the hostile policy ? Did you see what happened with Windrush? Australians and Canadians are probably well down on the hit list (Cant imagine why), but I would not trust this legislation or them (Tories, Judiciary) to implement it.
pastafarian
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Do you seriously expect them to implement this legislation fairly and responsibly
"The Nationality and Borders Bill does not change any existing rights or circumstances in which a person could be deprived of their citizenship."
I have no problem with citizenship being deprived to those who pose a threat to the UK or obtain citizenship by fraud. And certainly no problem with citizenship being deprived now, (following due checks and processes) without the need to deliver physical notification.
Makes perfect sense. If you wanted to deprive the citizenship of some Jihadi John ISIS executioner, its quite right you can do this without the need to hand him some paperwork.
Do you seriously expect them to implement this legislation fairly and responsibly
Indeed - it's a slippery slope. It was interesting that - during the (botched) evacuation of Afghanistan any UK citizen with dual nationality was left at the back of the queue. As someone who recently acquired dual nationality (thank you, Ireland) I'm not at all confident that this current Government would treat me the same as someone with solely UK citizenship. This sort of thing is being driven by a bizarre sort of English nationalism (in much the same way as pretty much everything else this government is doing).
Machiavelli
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The right rattle sabres? That must be a serious and sensible thing to do then
Seems we are up to party number 9 ��
Obvious choice. He has experience hosting Have I Got News For You. What’s the problem?
What year is this exactly?
Obvious choice. He has experience hosting Have I Got News For You. What’s the problem?
What year is this exactly?
The bloke on the left looks like he’s just come back from Hawaii.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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I wish they'd concentrate on the events at No. 11 Christmas Day, 2020.
The times seems to suggest this is the first of many photos and videos
Stato
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I'm no expert on classics. I'd guess that my eighties comprehensive school taught a bit less of it than Eton did, but I did read Suetonius after loving Robert Graves' 'I Claudius' and would guess 'The Twelve Caesars' to be basic stuff for Johnson.
Ironic that somebody who has never worn his classics knowledge lightly, appears to have learned nothing from his subject and will end up being remembered as Nero, fiddling whilst Rome burned.
Ironic that somebody who has never worn his classics knowledge lightly, appears to have learned nothing from his subject and will end up being remembered as Nero, fiddling whilst Rome burned.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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We are in funny times and a picture of the PM flanked by two staff members on a TV screen will seem to many completely innocuous.
Please think back to last Christmas and remember when this picture was taken.
Which ever side you take on the lockdown debate is irrelevant. It was clearly one rule for us and one rule for them.
Tossers. Get out of public life and get out now.
Please think back to last Christmas and remember when this picture was taken.
Which ever side you take on the lockdown debate is irrelevant. It was clearly one rule for us and one rule for them.
Tossers. Get out of public life and get out now.
If this is the dirtiest they have, I dont think he needs to worry too much about his job currently.