[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Stato]

Britain and Belarus are the only countries in Europe with a FPTP system. Everywhere else is PR. Coalitions work well because parties have to learn to cooperate instead of sniping at the opposition all the time.
I know people will remember the LD coalition of 2010 but the leader was Nick Clegg who was Tory in all but name. When he lost his seat, he went to work for Facebook (which tells you all you need to know).

For a hapenny of tar.... Had former Leon Brittan speech writer, and EU zealot Nick Clegg not beaten the more tory sceptic driving ban avoider Chris Huhne in the Lib Dem's 2007 leadership election by 500 votes, come the next general election, he wouldn't have been in the chair for coalition discussions with Cameron, or the Lib Dems wouldn't have polled so well, meaning that coalition wouldn't have been an option. Take away the coaltion, or change the Lib Dems spineless toadyism whilst in partnership and the next election changes enormously, meaning that the self serving chancer Cameron may not have been in the position to come good on his massively risky and unnecessary promise of a referendum to the right wing of his party. The absolute fugazi that followed in the next decade of British politics wouldn't have happened, the pandemic may have been managed in a way that would have saved a lot more lives and and we may now all be laughing at the ex London mayor Boris Johnson's sad attempts at trying to get off with his partner on Strictly.

See also - the tragic and untimely death of John Smith.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

For a hapenny of tar.... Had former Leon Brittan speech writer, and EU zealot Nick Clegg not beaten the more tory sceptic driving ban avoider Chris Huhne in the Lib Dem's 2007 leadership election by 500 votes, come the next general election, he wouldn't have been in the chair for coalition discussions with Cameron, or the Lib Dems wouldn't have polled so well, meaning that coalition wouldn't have been an option. Take away the coaltion, or change the Lib Dems spineless toadyism whilst in partnership and the next election changes enormously, meaning that the self serving chancer Cameron may not have been in the position to come good on his massively risky and unnecessary promise of a referendum to the right wing of his party. The absolute fugazi that followed in the next decade of British politics wouldn't have happened, the pandemic may have been managed in a way that would have saved a lot more lives and and we may now all be laughing at the ex London mayor Boris Johnson's sad attempts at trying to get off with his partner on Strictly.

See also - the tragic and untimely death of John Smith.

100% this. John Smith's death was a huge blow.

 

[Bry Nylon]

100% this. John Smith's death was a huge blow.

Agreed. He was never quite the same after that.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Seeing as the thread seems to be a bit more 'humorous' at the moment, this tweet shows Mad Nads is losing the plot.

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[WATFORD zero]

Considering the options for you two going forward, I think you've made good decisions

Leaving the door open for Labour. Labour meltdown incoming...
Have a good day

Considering the options for you two going forward, I think you've made good decisions

Lib Dems?

They would be the only ones I would vote for.

I assume that’s what you meant.

I was just suggesting that your decisions not to vote at the next election looked sensible to me

It's still early though, bashlsdir's favoured PM has almost three years to get you back onside. I doubt he's even started on his three word slogan for his next campaign yet

 

[Lever]

It is. I think we are basically singing from the same hymn sheet. We had a fantastic opportunity to change this system when we had the coalition but it was scuppered by Cameron and a weak Clegg.

I completely agree!

 

[Lever]

agree that PR might lead to less confrontational politics. it does not mean you automatically vote for the winning government, or that government truely represents a majorty. look at Germany, only 25% voted SPD, they get SPD leader Scholz as Chancellor. 75% voted for other parties and leaders. yes they benefit from some other parties getting into government by parties compromising (letting down or u-turning in British political terms). we tried this accidently just a decade ago and everyone seemed quite unhappy about it. would you be content with Johnson at the head of a Conservative/UKIP/Unionist coalition that had 51% of the vote?

Good point! The answer is 'no I wouldn't be content with it'.... the only plus for that would be that Johnson himself would be less powerful..... I like to think that virtually the entire British electorate would be aghast at such a coalition - but you never know!

 

[WATFORD zero]

Good point! The answer is 'no I wouldn't be content with it'.... the only plus for that would be that Johnson himself would be less powerful..... I like to think that virtually the entire British electorate would be aghast at such a coalition - but you never know!

Or maybe choose a coalition from the actual parties that got votes



Of course those monolithic parties of huge warring groups from completely different political positions (occasionally stopping infighting for long enough to get elected) would look very different under real proportional representation

 

[schmunk]

I doubt he's even started on his three word slogan for his next campaign yet

"Better next time"

"All Labour's fault"

"Look, a squirrel"



Take your pick...

 

[Thunder Bolt]

From 1931, Wakefield in West Yorkshire was Labour, but in 2019 they elected a Tory MP. I doubt they'll be doing that again in a hurry.

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[Nobby Cybergoat]

From 1931, Wakefield in West Yorkshire was Labour, but in 2019 they elected a Tory MP. I doubt they'll be doing that again in a hurry.

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By-election incoming

 

[Thunder Bolt]

By-election incoming

He's got to be sentenced first. If he gets more than 12 months, then yes, or if his constituency does a recall petition.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

NEW: Imran Ahmad Khan will not be standing down.

Sources close to him said: "He won't be resigning pending an appeal."

They will contest the judges "ruling on bad character evidence."

 

[rogersix]

absolutly. which law in the >17000 pages of tax laws do you think should get priority? obviously there's the one in the news, which is a intended to make a reasonable system for foreigners living here with investments and assets abroad (i'm sure you'd agree taking tax revenue from foreign nations where earnt would be unfair). what people want, is a new rule that chancellors expect to pay as much tax as is possible, another page to the tax law. this wont solve a great deal of problems in public finances, but make everyone feel better for a second.

a chap on the tellybox the other day said the nondom rules were brought in so sugar and coffee producers, way back when, don't get taxed if they're living abroad for a bit?

 

[rogersix]

Nah, however I would class myself as someone that wouldn’t vote Labour again.

Considering the options are awful I doubt I’ll vote moving forward.

fair does. i hope you spoil your paper tho', so the politicos know you could be bothered to turn up!

 

[WATFORD zero]

Here's is what I said the day after the 2019 election 13/12/2019, I did try to tell everyone else on NSC what me, Rishi and Javid obviously knew but it seems there weren't many listening

So just to clarify, as a remainer you've always told us leavers to believe the so called experts. That we're stupid to suggest they are wrong. Yet you EMPLOY an expert and ignore their advice ?

I didn't ignore it. I simply disagreed with him re maximising my returns and minimising my tax liabilities, if it meant moving assets offshore. Since yesterday, I have changed my mind

I'm worried what may happen economically over the next few years and now have to make sure my family don't suffer because of my principles. For example, taking out private healthcare for an extended family isn't cheap and moving assets offshore helps

Anyway, enough of my troubles, shouldn't you be celebrating ?

It's almost

 

[Thunder Bolt]

a chap on the tellybox the other day said the nondom rules were brought in so sugar and coffee producers, way back when, don't get taxed if they're living abroad for a bit?

Yes, it was to protect plantation owners in Georgian times.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

NEW: Imran Ahmad Khan will not be standing down.

Sources close to him said: "He won't be resigning pending an appeal."

They will contest the judges "ruling on bad character evidence."

The Conservative party has expelled him.

 

[The Clamp]

The Conservative party has expelled him.

Jolly good. Reading about him earlier. General, all round nut-job.

 

[Springal]

MP for Reigate defending a convicted child sex offender. https://www.blunt4reigate.com/news/statement-conviction-imran-ahmad-khan-mp