[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

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[Jim in the West]

Great article in New York magazine - interview with Dominic Cummings. Best quotes:

- Removing Johnson from power, Cummings tells me over Zoom, is “an unpleasant but necessary job. It’s like sort of fixing the drains.”

- The charismatic Johnson, he says, was needed to deliver Brexit and defeat the leftist Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn in the election of 2019. “But after that,” he asks, “what’s the point of him and Carrie just rattling around in there and ****ing everything up for everyone and not doing the job properly?”

- “In January 2020,” Cummings says, “I was sitting in No. 10 with Boris and the complete ****wit is just babbling on about: ‘Will Big Ben bong for Brexit on the 31st of January?’ He goes on and on about this day after day. Eventually I say to him: ‘Who cares? What are you talking about? Why are you babbling on about Big Ben? It’s completely ludicrous.

- He stops for a moment, then says, “You know, as he said to me, ‘I’m the ****ing king around here and I’m going to do what I want.’” Cummings speaks slowly and deliberately: “That’s not okay. He’s not the king. He can’t do what he wants. Once you realize someone is operating like that then your duty is to get rid of them, not to just prop them up.”

 

[Baldseagull]

Great article in New York magazine - interview with Dominic Cummings. Best quotes:

- Removing Johnson from power, Cummings tells me over Zoom, is “an unpleasant but necessary job. It’s like sort of fixing the drains.”

- The charismatic Johnson, he says, was needed to deliver Brexit and defeat the leftist Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn in the election of 2019. “But after that,” he asks, “what’s the point of him and Carrie just rattling around in there and ****ing everything up for everyone and not doing the job properly?”

- “In January 2020,” Cummings says, “I was sitting in No. 10 with Boris and the complete ****wit is just babbling on about: ‘Will Big Ben bong for Brexit on the 31st of January?’ He goes on and on about this day after day. Eventually I say to him: ‘Who cares? What are you talking about? Why are you babbling on about Big Ben? It’s completely ludicrous.

- He stops for a moment, then says, “You know, as he said to me, ‘I’m the ****ing king around here and I’m going to do what I want.’” Cummings speaks slowly and deliberately: “That’s not okay. He’s not the king. He can’t do what he wants. Once you realize someone is operating like that then your duty is to get rid of them, not to just prop them up.”

Not one of them thinks he is doing a good job, they just think he could still win them the next election. I think it is grounds to remove your MP, if they are a Tory and have not sent a letter to the 1922 committee.

 

[The Clamp]

The rise of the idiots. I weep for the unborn children.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

The rise of the idiots. I weep for the unborn children.

After 11 odd years of this crap, with Brexit being the main issue, but on so many other fronts, I have been weeping for my seventeen year old daughter and her generation for quite some time.
They also went through their education under Gove and Williamson.
Good job that they don't know any better but the difference between when I was in my late teens and into my early twenties whilst having fun and trying to get on (property, car, holidays, clubbing etc) it's like a different planet compared to then.

 

[London Irish]

Great article in New York magazine - interview with Dominic Cummings. Best quotes:

- Removing Johnson from power, Cummings tells me over Zoom, is “an unpleasant but necessary job. It’s like sort of fixing the drains.”

- The charismatic Johnson, he says, was needed to deliver Brexit and defeat the leftist Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn in the election of 2019. “But after that,” he asks, “what’s the point of him and Carrie just rattling around in there and ****ing everything up for everyone and not doing the job properly?”

- “In January 2020,” Cummings says, “I was sitting in No. 10 with Boris and the complete ****wit is just babbling on about: ‘Will Big Ben bong for Brexit on the 31st of January?’ He goes on and on about this day after day. Eventually I say to him: ‘Who cares? What are you talking about? Why are you babbling on about Big Ben? It’s completely ludicrous.

- He stops for a moment, then says, “You know, as he said to me, ‘I’m the ****ing king around here and I’m going to do what I want.’” Cummings speaks slowly and deliberately: “That’s not okay. He’s not the king. He can’t do what he wants. Once you realize someone is operating like that then your duty is to get rid of them, not to just prop them up.”

Remember when Cummings was a lying national disgrace? Yes it wasn’t that long ago but now apparently he’s some kind of political guru who we have to hang on every word of his as true and honourable. It’s all a pathetic Establishment game really they are playing among themselves, ever feel you been had?

 

[clapham_gull]

Remember when Cummings was a lying national disgrace? Yes it wasn’t that long ago but now apparently he’s some kind of political guru who we have to hang on every word of his as true and honourable. It’s all a pathetic Establishment game really they are playing among themselves, ever feel you been had?

Very simplistic view of the world.

The bad guys always tell the best stories. You aren't going to get any information about what's rotten in the centre of Government from an Islington branch meeting are you ?

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Remember when Cummings was a lying national disgrace? Yes it wasn’t that long ago but now apparently he’s some kind of political guru who we have to hang on every word of his as true and honourable. It’s all a pathetic Establishment game really they are playing among themselves, ever feel you been had?

Cummings is a horrible, greasy prat, that won't change, I still don't like him, if we had a proper PM he would still be there being a horrible, greasy prat.
But because we have a useless, dangerous mentalist for a Prime Minister I am very happy for that horrible, greasy prat to spill the beans on him until he finally goes, I hope he has a lot more to tell.
Johnson is such an idiot to do what he did in front of Cummings, it is why he didn't sack him off (and others like Patel) because they would have so much dirt to tell on him and Carrie.
Johnson deserves everything he gets.

 

[pb21]

Great article in New York magazine - interview with Dominic Cummings. Best quotes:

- Removing Johnson from power, Cummings tells me over Zoom, is “an unpleasant but necessary job. It’s like sort of fixing the drains.”

I had to fix a blocked drain once, there was fat, grease and putrid stinking detritus all over the place where it shouldn't be; a very apt analogy.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Cummings is a horrible, greasy prat, that won't change, I still don't like him, if we had a proper PM he would still be there being a horrible, greasy prat.
But because we have a useless, dangerous mentalist for a Prime Minister I am very happy for that horrible, greasy prat to spill the beans on him until he finally goes, I hope he has a lot more to tell.
Johnson is such an idiot to do what he did in front of Cummings, it is why he didn't sack him off (and others like Patel) because they would have so much dirt to tell on him and Carrie.
Johnson deserves everything he gets.

"The enemy of my enemy"....how does it go?

 

[The Clamp]

After 11 odd years of this crap, with Brexit being the main issue, but on so many other fronts, I have been weeping for my seventeen year old daughter and her generation for quite some time.
They also went through their education under Gove and Williamson.
Good job that they don't know any better but the difference between when I was in my late teens and into my early twenties whilst having fun and trying to get on (property, car, holidays, clubbing etc) it's like a different planet compared to then.

Britain is not a fun country to grow up in under a Tory government. It is not fun, it is not safe and it is not secure. Let us not forget before this current nest of ********s we had another Rotter's Club member in ol' pig shagger Cameron who called all this on and then the dusty old landlady who's had an extra sherry that was May.

They have tapped the joy out of youth, stolen futures, taken away freedom of movement and trashed our international reputation. They continue to besmirch a once great nation. They have taken a nation full of optimism, progression, forward thinking, tolerance and social reform under a Labour government and wiped their big fat, over-fed arses with it while laughing in our faces. Damn the Tory party, damn them all to Hell.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Remember when Cummings was a lying national disgrace? Yes it wasn’t that long ago but now apparently he’s some kind of political guru who we have to hang on every word of his as true and honourable. It’s all a pathetic Establishment game really they are playing among themselves, ever feel you been had?

Remember when you used to hang on every word Galloway said? Ever feel you have been had?

 

[beorhthelm]

funny when Cummings enters the scene, so many seem to forget he's responsible for putting Johnson there.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

After 11 odd years of this crap, with Brexit being the main issue, but on so many other fronts, I have been weeping for my seventeen year old daughter and her generation for quite some time.
They also went through their education under Gove and Williamson.
Good job that they don't know any better but the difference between when I was in my late teens and into my early twenties whilst having fun and trying to get on (property, car, holidays, clubbing etc) it's like a different planet compared to then.

I teach at one of the big 5 universities. I have to say that over 30 years I have seen students go from 20% being spikey and lateral thinkers (the rest struggling a bit but putting in a shift, or not bovvered) to a class full of bolt-eyed children, dutifully rote learning any old bollocks (like they did at school) and regurgitating it verbatim. It is a bloody shock for them when they reach final year and have to start asking questions of the world of data and information, considering ideas, weighing up evidence and doing some actual thinking. Some can do it (for the first time in their lives, with some excellent tuition from some of my colleagues) but many just seek 'factoids' to vacuum, list and regurgitate. There have always been students like this, but they are the norm, now. And I find it ****ing weird to be addressed by a 20 year old final year student as 'sir'. Perhaps Covid has robbed them of 18 months of learning the ropes, socialization in the new institution, growing up, and all that, but....they have been fed easy platitudinous simplicity for so long (from school) that they lack the basic skepticism to operate in science (or in any milieu, I would suggest) without a massive wake up call, which for some comes too late.

And as for my academic colleagues . . . . no bit of madness (initiatives, systems, surveys, new ways of working) is too absurd to not have some of them rushing off to do what's been asked. Too many are playing the game and doublethinking themselves into believing they are doing what's necessary in 'these difficult times'. Selling their soul for security - I don't agree with that in academia. We are supposed to be leaders.

Thirty years ago one of my colleagues (she has no kids, btw, in case this seems an unpleasant analogy), I realised that if told that one of her kids must die, would have formed a committee to determine which. Today, a good proportion of my colleagues are like that (albeit, not half - where I work I do have some bloody excellent colleagues). God only knows what's happening at some of the red brick universities and elsewhere, where the staff may not be quite so accomplished/confident/secure, and unwilling to do anything other than jump.

Meanwhile my union is still bleating on about the gender pay gap, and voting motions to condemn Israel, while failing to focus properly on the pension theft (the campaign has been diluted by SWP soppy bollocks distractions, including an eleventh hour show of concern about the risk to members from Covid, FFS), and annoying the likes of me by being triumphalist about 'great' strikes (I refuse to do anything to disadvantage my students; strikes may sometimes be necessary but they are never great), like they are valiant shows of support for the Albion away at Hull midweek in 2001. FFS.

And....exhale.

 

[The Clamp]

funny when Cummings enters the scene, so many seem to forget he's responsible for putting Johnson there.

He’s Shakespearean isn’t he.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

funny when Cummings enters the scene, so many seem to forget he's responsible for putting Johnson there.

Cummings was villified for his behaviour and lying, but now it suits people to hang on his every word as gospel truth. Just saying like.

 

[The Clamp]

Cummings was villified for his behaviour and lying, but now it suits people to hang on his every word as gospel truth. Just saying like.

That’s because Cummings treats the truth as a fluid variable . He’ll use truth or lies depending on his motives and agenda. Luckily, for some reason it’s actually quite easy to spot when Cummings is lying and when he’s telling the truth. Bizarrely, he’s terrible at both.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

funny when Cummings enters the scene, so many seem to forget he's responsible for putting Johnson there.

Cummings was villified for his behaviour and lying, but now it suits people to hang on his every word as gospel truth. Just saying like.

It takes a thief to catch a thief. It takes a narcissist to catch etc.
Politics is a dirty business and always has been.

 

[The Clamp]

Cummings is basically the lad that goes shoplifting with you and then dobs you in for shoplifting. He’s a thief and a snake but he’s telling the truth.

 

[clapham_gull]

funny when Cummings enters the scene, so many seem to forget he's responsible for putting Johnson there.

That's a very simplistic view of the last few years.

Johnson is NOT the invention of Dominic Cummings, he was London Mayor twice before anyone heard of Dominic Cummings and in the Government after that.

He is far from his personal Svengali, only brought back into Government after Johnson was elected.

Turned sour very very quickly.