Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Giving a press conference whilst Parliament is sitting; again bypassing questions and scrutiny. A wannabee dictator.
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The Clamp
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This is how Alison Thewliss from the SNP ended her speech on the bill.
f***ing Amen!
Yes, it's yet more Tory lies. Blaming Labour peers for blocking the Bill when Labour does not have a majority in the House of Lords (no party does).
And claiming that Kigali is safer than London - a snide dog-whistle attack on Sadiq Khan as Mayor of London?
The Clamp
Well-known member
Someone needs to give Sunak and his Brownshirts a proper public dressing down.
He needs his pants very publicly pulled down.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Ken Clarke, that well known Labour peer!
In 2018, 12 asylum seekers were shot in Kigali by the police
For a Party which campaigned for Brexit (partly) on the grounds that it wanted to reclaim parliamentary sovereignty, this government really does seem to hold Parliament - along with the rest of us - in contempt.
What the Tories really want is for the House of Commons and House of Lords to rubber-stamp the Government's cruel or ill-judged legislation, rather than fulfil Parliament's historic constitutional role of scrutinising the Executive, and holding Ministers to account.
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nicko31
Well-known member
As Clarke says if Labour let it through, the supreme court will need to act again against a government that is completely out of control.
nicko31
Well-known member
Another day, another Tory
Pevenseagull
meh
- Jul 20, 2003
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Best leader the Tories never had.
nicko31
Well-known member
I used to vote for them because of people like him and Heseltine. The party has lost the plot, not being racist enough for the crypto-fascists on the right but losing the centre.
I see they got their bill through. From here it will be lefty lawyers, foreign courts, ECHR this, ECHR that etc etc ...
The question is if anyone does go to Rwanda, who do they send back in return as part of the 1:1 swap?
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Funny how the Tories suddenly complain that the House of Lords is undemocratic, and so has no right to obstruct the Bills of an elected government.
They've been in government for 14 years, so had plenty of time to reform the Second Chamber.
And of course, if and when the House of Lords blocks the legislation of a Labour government, the Tories will be praising it as essential to checks-and-balances, and a vital bulwark against tyranny and authoritarianism.
Usual hypocritical Tory BS.
They've been in government for 14 years, so had plenty of time to reform the Second Chamber.
And of course, if and when the House of Lords blocks the legislation of a Labour government, the Tories will be praising it as essential to checks-and-balances, and a vital bulwark against tyranny and authoritarianism.
Usual hypocritical Tory BS.
Let’s hope Labour are serious about reforming it.
I think a second chamber is essential but its lack of accountability is astounding. The Lords should be apolitical and peers should be voted in, not given ‘life’ jobs like Johnson’s half sister (allegedly).
- Oct 17, 2008
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Exactly this, in my view. It’s very important to have a dispassionate, neutral second “layer” to prevent zeitgeist and knee-jerk nonsense passing through Parliament.
But what we have isn’t that. But then, look at the US, where horrible laws like pro-life scumfuckery is getting waved through the upper house. The Lords is crucial, but needs root and branch reform.
The Republicans and Christian Fundamentalists are 'pro-life' up until the moment the baby is born, and then they don't give a **** about its subsequent life, or mental or physical well-being.
Also, they oppose an NHS on the grounds that this would grant the State control over people's bodies and physical well-being, but they want the State to have control over women's bodies and deny them choice over their reproductive decisions.
The hypocrisy of these people is matched only by their ignorance and stupidity - rather like many Tories here in Britain!
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Stop the world, I want to get off.
I hate to say this given the archaic state of the Lords, I prefer it to an elected upper chamber. Here's why.
With an elected upper chamber, whether seats are via FPTP or via some other form of voting, the make up will reflect the position of the electorate at the moment of voting. Now, you can elect an upper chamber either at the same time as the lower chamber is elected, or at mid cycle.
If both chambers are elected at the same time, they will both reflect the electorate at that time in the same way. So if we have a big swing to labour (like seems likely now), the upper chamber will also swing left. In which case, in what way would the upper chamber be motivated to exert checks and balances on parliament?
If on the other hand the electoral cycle is out of synch, what normally happens is after a couple of years the public is bored of that lot in the house of commons and so would vote for the other lot in upper chamber elections. In which case the upper chamber would tend to want to block the initiatives of the house of commons and HMG.
Before anyone starts arguing that if the upper chamber were elected by PR it would me more consensual and would not block HMG's government's bill reflexly.....what would be the point of that? It would be the equivalent of the weapons inspection protocol of Hans Blix. In other words, it would do absolutely nothing, other than be polite and drink tea. Probably that chamomile muck..
We either want an upper chamber to exert checks and balances.... or not.
In any case I'm pretty sure that a tory government, fed up with having archbishops and the like blocking one of their madcap bills, changed the law so that Lords can piss parliament about for only so long (a year?) whereupon and whence the outcome is resolved by parliament. Thus Lords can delay but not block.
When MPs were men and women of honour, having one's collar felt by Lords meant something and HMG would play ball. However, for quite some time now, the Tories have been run by men and women of dishonour: chavs, little lord Fauntleroys, carpetbaggers and shysters. They don't care about democracy, and only about getting their own way.
So we may as well bin the Lords, but I'd be happy to leave it as is. Changing it to an elected house would be the worst option as it would give an appearance of greater democracy that would be illusional, and its behaviour may become more capricious that what we have now. And as I have said 100 million times, we are not f***ing Germans, Danes or Italians. I don't care what they do. If anyone mentions Germany I may have to trot out an old joke that would probably earn me an infraction at the very least.
Pevenseagull
meh
- Jul 20, 2003
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Wouldn't happen in Germany
Germany spying: Far-right party aide held in China spy probe
Prosecutors identify the suspect as Jian G and accuse him of passing information to Chinese intelligence.
www.bbc.co.uk
...oh
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Five confirmed dead in the Channel, by the French coastguard, this morning. Three men, a woman and a child.