[Politics] Tories vote to reduce food standards

[nicko31]

Every single Tory MP bar one has voted for lower standards...

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/n...od-standards-during-the-covid-pandemic/26/05/

Tory MP rebelled: Helen Grant, Conservative MP for Maidstone and the Weald. Not one Labour, Lib Dem or SNP MP voted for the bill.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I’ve covered that ground a hundred times and if I’m to do it again, it certainly won’t be with you.

Anyway, back on topic, you’re defending the indefensible. It’s not a strong look. It’s that attitude that has destroyed the U.K.

What am I defending ? Obviously other than the point that you've been libelous and lied ?

 

[beorhthelm]

i looked it up, the title of thread and article doesnt match the content of the legislation. there's nothing about food standards, so they remain as they are. some groups wanted it to include food standards, but it doesnt. its mainly payments to farmers, fairness and transparency in supply chain, marketing standard and some WTO stuff. opposition apparently support all that too. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8702/.

 

[The Clamp]

What am I defending ? Obviously other than the point that you've been libelous and lied ?

Bored now

TTFNTC

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Is it being spun as introducing world-class food standards yet?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Bored now

TTFNTC

I think that's called running away and cowering .... TTFN.

 

[The Clamp]

I think that's called running away and cowering .... TTFN.

It’s called not wanting to engage with a boring little twerp (that’s you).

TTFNTC

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Then I'm sure you're aware of the food regulations the rabbits go through

But I'm sure he is a man of his word and you have a good record of believing and voting for men of their word.

And I think if I went in a shop I've never been in before and start asking those sort of questions, they make think I'm a little strange ?

Nice whataboutary .... also nice avoidance about your local butcher !

 

[CHAPPERS]

i looked it up, the title of thread and article doesnt match the content of the legislation. there's nothing about food standards, so they remain as they are. some groups wanted it to include food standards, but it doesnt. its mainly payments to farmers, fairness and transparency in supply chain, marketing standard and some WTO stuff. opposition apparently support all that too. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8702/.

From that link

Farmers and environmental groups are also concerned that there are no commitments to maintaining food and animal welfare standards for imports under new trade deals. Some 62 farm and environment organisations wrote to the Prime Minister on 27 January calling for legislation to underpin Government commitments not to reduce such standards in future trade deals.

 

[Gwylan]

i looked it up, the title of thread and article doesnt match the content of the legislation. there's nothing about food standards, so they remain as they are. some groups wanted it to include food standards, but it doesnt. its mainly payments to farmers, fairness and transparency in supply chain, marketing standard and some WTO stuff. opposition apparently support all that too. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8702/.

I think what's exercising most people is not the Bill itself but the fact that the government won't confirm it's adhering to existing standards. As the FT puts it: "Washington wants far greater access to the British food market as a price for any trade deal with the UK, but such a compromise plan would trigger a backlash from the country’s farmers and consumer groups.

Mr Johnson’s spokesman on Thursday refused to deny a Daily Telegraph report that the prime minister was willing to see chlorine-washed chicken and hormone-treated beef enter the UK with tariffs attached."

 

[Mr Putdown]

5kg of chicken breast for £20? Do you want cheaper?

£8.50 for 5k at Sainsbury’s or £6.95 at Asda.

My dogs get through tons of them.

 

[The Clamp]

From that link

This is the thing. While chlorinated chickens are the “star of the show” the sign on the side of the bus, as it were but this allows all food standards to be relaxed on all food stuffs. So yeah, one can ascertain what conditions their Yankee chicken has been reared in, but you’re gonna have to check every label of every food product on the shelf, if it doesn’t state country of origin, chances are it may be from some intensive farming plant in Butt****, Kansas.

 

[GOM]

…
I have no problem with specific food legislation being a separate thread at the moment. Sure, there's a Brexit link but there's a lot more to this if people want to analyse and debate like adults.

I'm not by any means the only moderator on this board either so should people not behave like adults I won't be making unilateral decisions. And any other mod is free to merge this now if they so choose.

……..... most of the areas that voted for Brexit are stuffed with turkey twizzler guzzling fatties anyway. Yes, that's a snobbish generalisation, before you say so gammon gang, but it's possible for me to make it because it's mostly true. You didn't see Jamie Oliver tackling the fish counter at Hove Waitrose, did you?

Very Adult. Perhaps if you want people to debate like adults, you should too.

 

[pastafarian]

its curious how one can vote for something by voting for legislation that doesnt include that thing. presumably food standards under other legislation still stand, unless they have been repealled, which the article makes no mention of.

Some common sense has erupted.

im sure someone will be along soon to show which clause or provision in the bill,that was voted for in the affirmative, lowers existing food standards legislation. ie repeals current food standards legislation.

surprised this repeal of food standards wasnt news everywhere considering the third reading was over 3 weeks ago.

 

[The Clamp]

Very Adult. Perhaps if you want people to debate like adults, you should too.

To be fair, he’s right.

 

[The Clamp]

Some common sense has erupted.

im sure someone will be along soon to show which clause or provision in the bill,that was voted for in the affirmative, lowers existing food standards legislation. ie repeals current food standards legislation.

surprised this repeal of food standards wasnt news everywhere considering the third reading was over 3 weeks ago.

You may find post 69 helpful.

 

[pastafarian]

You may find post 69 helpful.

Nope. Not helpful at all.
Doesnt say which clause in the bill lowers existing food legislation standards.
You must have misread the post

 

[The Clamp]

Nope. Not helpful at all.
Doesnt say which clause in the bill lowers existing food legislation standards.
You must have misread the post

I know you’re being deliberated mauve, nevertheless I’ll indulge you.

There are no commitments to maintaining food standards. You’d have to be some special kind of fool not to realise that assurances of food standards are not included so that the government has the power to waive our high food standards in order to secure deals with countries that do not adhere to our usual food standards.

But I know that you know this.

 

[narly101]

Sweet Christmas. The amount of denial on here is amazing.

Please read all you can about this, and stop trying to avoid the reality that the Tory government is essentially backtracking.

From the London Economic article. It's not ****ing rocket science;

"Environment Secretary George Eustice refused to rule out chlorinated chicken and hormone-treated beef being imported from the US in a post-Brexit trade deal and he voted against his own 2019 proposals to protect the UK’s high animal welfare and food hygiene standards by banning the sale of lower standard foods such as chlorine-washed chicken and hormone-injected beef when it was again tabled as a Labour amendment to the Agriculture Bill.

Labour’s shadow environment secretary Luke Pollard said the Tories are now “tying themselves in knots to get a damaging trade deal with Donald Trump whatever the cost. This government is in chaos.

“Labour used the exact same text put forward by the Secretary of State when he was a backbencher, that would have protected our food standards. Now he and the Tories have voted it down.”

 

[Palacefinder General]

£8.50 for 5k at Sainsbury’s or £6.95 at Asda.

My dogs get through tons of them.

Without wanting to get too animal rights on you...oh f**k it, you are Palace after all...a battery hen sits in an enclosed cage with a floor the size of a paperback book cover and no room to move in any direction, with that in mind, can you imagine the lives of your cheap Asda chickens? As a dog owning animal lover I’m sure you struggle with that one.

Let’s finish with some birds enjoying themselves playing ‘soccer’