[Politics] Tories vote to reduce food standards

[Lever]

Hmmm .... OK Nibble .... I'd like to see your evidence of that libelous statement. I'm NOT a Tory and if your little simple brain has managed to remember my many posts you'd know I've voted Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, UKIP and Green. How's that promise of moving if the vote went against staying in the EU going ? Still here ? Of course you are ! Liair !

Constructive and inclusive?
Well at least your voting history could be described as 'inclusive'........

 

[pastafarian]

I know you’re being deliberated mauve, nevertheless I’ll indulge you.

There are no commitments to maintaining food standards. You’d have to be some special kind of fool not to realise that assurances of food standards are not included so that the government has the power to waive our high food standards in order to secure deals with countries that do not adhere to our usual food standards.

But I know that you know this.

So, to confirm then. They havnt actually voted for lowering existing food standards in the bill at all, but you are concerned that in the future they might actually do it and might eventually vote for lowering existing food standards if not yet finalised trade deals eventually become agreements .

 

[The Clamp]

So, to confirm then. They havnt actually voted for lowering existing food standards in the bill at all, but you are concerned that in the future they might actually do it and might eventually vote for lowering existing food standards if not yet finalised trade deals eventually become agreements .

You need to read posts properly. What people are concerned about is that the Tory’s voted for something that does not protect our imported food standards.

You’d have to be a very, very naive individual to not at least be concerned that the Tory’s have deliberately omitted certain assurances and that they will take advantage of this when negotiating deals, especially with countries like the U.S.
It is for all intents and purpose a vote to lower food standards. This legislation will result in lower food standards. That is what it is designed to do. That is what it will do.
What is it you are finding so tricky here?

 

[nicko31]

So, to confirm then. They havnt actually voted for lowering existing food standards in the bill at all, but you are concerned that in the future they might actually do it and might eventually vote for lowering existing food standards if not yet finalised trade deals eventually become agreements .

Well seems to be well on its way...

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/n...od-standards-during-the-covid-pandemic/26/05/

Just after Johnson's last holiday February....

1 min 38 min, confirms food standard will be lowered...

https://youtu.be/3ok23M478Fw

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sweet Christmas. The amount of denial on here is amazing.

Please read all you can about this, and stop trying to avoid the reality that the Tory government is essentially backtracking.

From the London Economic article. It's not ****ing rocket science;

"Environment Secretary George Eustice refused to rule out chlorinated chicken and hormone-treated beef being imported from the US in a post-Brexit trade deal and he voted against his own 2019 proposals to protect the UK’s high animal welfare and food hygiene standards by banning the sale of lower standard foods such as chlorine-washed chicken and hormone-injected beef when it was again tabled as a Labour amendment to the Agriculture Bill.

Labour’s shadow environment secretary Luke Pollard said the Tories are now “tying themselves in knots to get a damaging trade deal with Donald Trump whatever the cost. This government is in chaos.

“Labour used the exact same text put forward by the Secretary of State when he was a backbencher, that would have protected our food standards. Now he and the Tories have voted it down.”

The Telegraph is reporting

Britain is prepared to permit imports of chlorinated chicken from the US but will slap high tariffs on cheaply-produced food in order to minimise the impact on British farmers.

The latest Government proposal for a trade deal with the US is for a "dual tariff" regime that imposes different levels of duty on imported foods, depending on whether they comply with UK animal welfare standards.

Hormone-fed beef, chlorinated chicken and other foods that use techniques banned in Britain will be allowed across the Atlantic, but ministers want to use tariffs to make it uneconomical for US producers to export them to the UK.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/06/03/britain-ready-allow-import-chlorinated-chicken-us/

 

[Chicken Run]

It’s called not wanting to engage with a boring little twerp (that’s you).

TTFNTC

I didn’t think you wanted to engage with anyone Nibble, or so you said, you weird little one man freak show.

But as you say a man can change his mind.

#waltermitty.

 

[pastafarian]

You need to read posts properly. What people are concerned about is that the Tory’s voted for something that does not protect our imported food standards.

You’d have to be a very, very naive individual to not at least be concerned that the Tory’s have deliberately omitted certain assurances and that they will take advantage of this when negotiating deals, especially with countries like the U.S.
It is for all intents and purpose a vote to lower food standards.
What is it you are finding so tricky here?

I can read the thread title clear as day
Tories vote to reduce food standards
Sounds like rubbish to me and you have just confirmed its ballocks because as you say, you are concerned they might get around to doing it in the future and they actually havnt voted for lowering food standards at all.in the bill

 

[pastafarian]

Well seems to be well on its way...

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/n...od-standards-during-the-covid-pandemic/26/05/

well on its way in the future is very different from claiming they have actually already voted for it.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Heaven 17 were on the beaches of Dunkirk?!

Dealing with that facist groove thing.

 

[The Clamp]

I can read the thread title clear as day
Tories vote to reduce food standards
Sounds like rubbish to me and you have just confirmed its ballocks because as you say, you are concerned they might get around to doing it in the future and they actually havnt voted for lowering food standards at all.in the bill

Okay P, whatever you say.

 

[pastafarian]

I didn’t think you wanted to engage with anyone Nibble, or so you said, you weird little one man freak show.

But as you say a man can change his mind.

#waltermitty.

Blimey, when did he announce that departure?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Indeed, it’s ironic that in a week when thousands of British people have even more ravenously than normal consumed the politics and social issues of the US that many are now turning their noses up at its chicken. I guess it’s possible they got mental issues after eating all that horse meat product which were labelled as beef under the robust EU food standard system.

I have to say, unlike the complainers, I have been to the US and the chicken I ate there was very tasty.......it never struck me that in the US their food had quality issues, the problem was quantity! If only these little minded European types would travel they would understand there is a whole world out there and it tastes good!

Most people's primary criticism of chlorinated chicken has nothing to do with the taste, in spite of the dedicated efforts of Brexiteer right wingers such as Dominic Lawson to persuade us otherwise. Well done on having been to America though.

 

[cunning fergus]

Take a look at the rates of food poisoning in the US compared to those in the EU. Most of the difference can be attributed to their appalling food hygiene.

For someone who loves to have a pop at champagne socialists and red tories, you do a pretty good job of not giving a tuppeny f**k about anyone else yourself, especially when they expose the contradictions of your own small-minded agenda. "I went to America once and the food was very tasty!!!shift f1". Christ on a f**king BIKE.

Of course, the country that gave the world KFC and McDonalds etc. has appalling food hygiene. I don’t think so Sundance, countries with appalling food hygiene are in Africa, the Far East.....dare I even say......China.

The US is a developed economy, and sure it has different food processing techniques, but to suggest they are appalling is just nonsense. As for your stats, I bet you more black young American men were murdered violently by other black American men than the total of US citizens killed by food poisoning. Given events this week if you can provide the numbers of deaths on both sides we can have a point of reference on which is really “appalling”.

If you think going to the US is a measure of wealth, I guess you may have a point......some 4m Brits go every year.......maybe it is out of reach for some. You clearly haven’t been......that’s a shame, it’s a nice place, cheap too........not free as indicated by some over there this week.

 

[narly101]

The Telegraph is reporting

Britain is prepared to permit imports of chlorinated chicken from the US but will slap high tariffs on cheaply-produced food in order to minimise the impact on British farmers.

The latest Government proposal for a trade deal with the US is for a "dual tariff" regime that imposes different levels of duty on imported foods, depending on whether they comply with UK animal welfare standards.

Hormone-fed beef, chlorinated chicken and other foods that use techniques banned in Britain will be allowed across the Atlantic, but ministers want to use tariffs to make it uneconomical for US producers to export them to the UK.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/06/03/britain-ready-allow-import-chlorinated-chicken-us/

The rest of the article is behind a paywall, but the Independent does a better job of reporting it without the right-wing slant;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...trade-talks-boris-johnson-trump-a9549656.html

From the article;

"Ministers are said to be open to giving access to the controversial US food products, that also include hormone-fed beef and crops treated with 82 different pesticides banned in the EU, but applying tariffs on them to protect UK-based farmers from competition.

Under the so-called “dual tariff” system being looked at, American agribusiness would be allowed to sell goods in the UK even if they were not complying with the same production standards as British farmers – as long as they paid the tariff.

Some ministers, such as free-marketer Liz Truss, want to go further, the Daily Telegraph reports – and gradually reduce these tariffs to zero over 10 years, giving farmers time to adjust to the new normal.

“Who’s to guarantee that ministers won’t lower the tariffs later on under pressure from Donald Trump and the US industry lobbies?” said Greenpeace’s Mr Sauven."

Given the Tory backpedal on these food standards, can you see any reason why they wouldn't back-pedal on the tariff decision?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Local butchers are actually cheaper than supermarkets.

A couple of years ago the lowest price in four leading supermarkets of a 1.35kg chicken averaged £3.15. Three quid for a living creature, if living is what you call it.

To prove you're not talking complete and utter balls show us how you can beat these prices in your average high street butcher.

 

[zefarelly]

Whether the tories have voted for anything or not, they will lower food u can be sure of that.

America is a ****ed up place. Why on earth anyone would want to buy shit food from 3500 miles away is beyond me, we seem to be able to make crap food of our own without too much effort.

 

[beorhthelm]

The rest of the article is behind a paywall, but the Independent does a better job of reporting it without the right-wing slant;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...trade-talks-boris-johnson-trump-a9549656.html

From the article;

"Ministers are said to be open to giving access to the controversial US food products, that also include hormone-fed beef and crops treated with 82 different pesticides banned in the EU, but applying tariffs on them to protect UK-based farmers from competition.

Under the so-called “dual tariff” system being looked at, American agribusiness would be allowed to sell goods in the UK even if they were not complying with the same production standards as British farmers – as long as they paid the tariff.

Some ministers, such as free-marketer Liz Truss, want to go further, the Daily Telegraph reports – and gradually reduce these tariffs to zero over 10 years, giving farmers time to adjust to the new normal.

“Who’s to guarantee that ministers won’t lower the tariffs later on under pressure from Donald Trump and the US industry lobbies?” said Greenpeace’s Mr Sauven."

Given the Tory backpedal on these food standards, can you see any reason why they wouldn't back-pedal on the tariff decision?

its an interesting way round, we'll allow said goods but apply a tariff so no one would want them. im not convinced that would be accepted by US, so fully expect the tariff would evaporate.

i cant easily find what legislation covers the the restriction of chlorinated chicken. so wonder is it not covered, and would become legal once we leave EU/transition?

 

[wellquickwoody]

I’ve covered that ground a hundred times and if I’m to do it again, it certainly won’t be with you.

Anyway, back on topic, you’re defending the indefensible. It’s not a strong look. It’s that attitude that has destroyed the U.K.

So you do not deny that as Nibble you stated that you would leave if the electorate voted for Brexit?

 

[narly101]

Whether the tories have voted for anything or not, they will lower food u can be sure of that.

America is a ****ed up place. Why on earth anyone would want to buy shit food from 3500 miles away is beyond me, we seem to be able to make crap food of our own without too much effort.

Part of the problem is that we only have capacity to produce 58% of our own food demands, and have to rely on 42% of the rest to be imported. You'd have thought that figure alone would have been enough to dissuade us from Brexit....

 

[pastafarian]

Of course, the country that gave the world KFC and McDonalds etc. has appalling food hygiene. I don’t think so Sundance, countries with appalling food hygiene are in Africa, the Far East.....dare I even say......China.

The US is a developed economy, and sure it has different food processing techniques, but to suggest they are appalling is just nonsense. As for your stats, I bet you more black young American men were murdered violently by other black American men than the total of US citizens killed by food poisoning. Given events this week if you can provide the numbers of deaths on both sides we can have a point of reference on which is really “appalling”.

If you think going to the US is a measure of wealth, I guess you may have a point......some 4m Brits go every year.......maybe it is out of reach for some. You clearly haven’t been......that’s a shame, it’s a nice place, cheap too........not free as indicated by some over there this week.

If you need a quick bite whilst on the go next time you are there i recommend chick fil-A spicy chicken with pepper jack and bacon.......the waffle fries are a bit dodgy though