Tories going for it...

[glasfryn]

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someone from palarse shite on the pavement

 

[Rod Marsh]

Michael Gove as Environment Secretary. The same Gove who wanted to drop climate change from the school curriculum

Climate change is part of the curriculum? What an absolute waste of time that is.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Seems odd for a leader under pressure to bring in a former leadership candidate who she sacked only year ago. What must the other 300-odd Tory MPs keen for a Cabinet position think about that?

 

[Blue3]

Nasty little Gove

 

[boik]

She'll have changed her mind in the morning.

I know that that was just a throw away joke, but it really bugs me that changing your mind is used to beat politicians of all shades. We voters change our minds all over the time, and as events change then it is inevitable that initial interpretations will have to be revised, and yet it is considered to be a cardinal sin rather than sensible revision.

 

[Gritt23]

I know that that was just a throw away joke, but it really bugs me that changing your mind is used to beat politicians of all shades. We voters change our minds all over the time, and as events change then it is inevitable that initial interpretations will have to be revised, and yet it is considered to be a cardinal sin rather than sensible revision.

I agree, and it's one of my bug-bears that a "U-turn" is deemed to be the worst of all political sin, when actually I do WANT a politician to be prepared to change their mind when they realise the strength of view coming from the public, especially if the point being raised is a good and valid one. Of course you want them to be right first time, and have the courage of their convictions, but I do also want them to LISTEN.

 

[Normal Rob]

I know that that was just a throw away joke, but it really bugs me that changing your mind is used to beat politicians of all shades. We voters change our minds all over the time, and as events change then it is inevitable that initial interpretations will have to be revised, and yet it is considered to be a cardinal sin rather than sensible revision.

I think the issue here raised by the comment is that she keep ******* up in the first place, and then has her mind changed.

 

[Dick Head]

I agree, and it's one of my bug-bears that a "U-turn" is deemed to be the worst of all political sin, when actually I do WANT a politician to be prepared to change their mind when they realise the strength of view coming from the public, especially if the point being raised is a good and valid one. Of course you want them to be right first time, and have the courage of their convictions, but I do also want them to LISTEN.

It's a paradox, for sure.

 

[Kneon Light]

Climate change is part of the curriculum? What an absolute waste of time that is.

Teaching children about one of the most important issues of modern times? Yeah a complete waste of time!

 

[Triggaaar]

I know that that was just a throw away joke, but it really bugs me that changing your mind is used to beat politicians of all shades. We voters change our minds all over the time, and as events change then it is inevitable that initial interpretations will have to be revised, and yet it is considered to be a cardinal sin rather than sensible revision.

I agree, and it's one of my bug-bears that a "U-turn" is deemed to be the worst of all political sin, when actually I do WANT a politician to be prepared to change their mind when they realise the strength of view coming from the public, especially if the point being raised is a good and valid one. Of course you want them to be right first time, and have the courage of their convictions, but I do also want them to LISTEN.

I agree completely. So I'm just going to repeat what you said, as 'I agree' doesn't feel sufficient.

Yes we want them to get everything right first time. But no politician has ever done that. So when they get it wrong, do we want them to think 'oops', but carry on regardless, because they know U turns are unforgivable, or do we want them to do what's best for the country?

We obviously want the latter.

 

[Machiavelli]

I agree, and it's one of my bug-bears that a "U-turn" is deemed to be the worst of all political sin, when actually I do WANT a politician to be prepared to change their mind when they realise the strength of view coming from the public, especially if the point being raised is a good and valid one. Of course you want them to be right first time, and have the courage of their convictions, but I do also want them to LISTEN.

With you, but it also rests on there being a media that deals with such issues appropriately, which we're unlikely to get from our most popular two organs.

 

[beorhthelm]

I agree, and it's one of my bug-bears that a "U-turn" is deemed to be the worst of all political sin, when actually I do WANT a politician to be prepared to change their mind when they realise the strength of view coming from the public, especially if the point being raised is a good and valid one. Of course you want them to be right first time, and have the courage of their convictions, but I do also want them to LISTEN.

become very overused, its now applied when policy details adjust, when policy detail doesn't meet what opponents said it would be, or even when policy exploration is turned down. whatever happens to white papers?

 

[Rod Marsh]

Teaching children about one of the most important issues of modern times? Yeah a complete waste of time!

I'd rather that time was spent improving English and Math standards.

 

[Kneon Light]

I'd rather that time was spent improving English and Math standards.

So you want secondary schools to ONLY teach English and Maths? It's not an either/or!

 

[Rod Marsh]

So you want secondary schools to ONLY teach English and Maths? It's not an either/or!

Of course not. However, I'd rather the time spent discussing climate change was used improving English and Math standards.

 

[Kneon Light]

Of course not. However, I'd rather the time spent discussing climate change was used improving English and Math standards.

So what do you suggest they do in Geography and Science (where climate change is currently taught)? Surely in these subjects teaching about such an important issue is vital?

 

[Kneon Light]

By the way you can blame Gove for the messed up Maths and English we now have in our secondary schools!

 

[Bakero]

Of course not. However, I'd rather the time spent discussing climate change was used improving English and Math standards.

Surely discussing anything helps improve English standards. Unless of course climate change is being discussed in French.

 

[Rod Marsh]

So what do you suggest they do in Geography and Science (where climate change is currently taught)? Surely in these subjects teaching about such an important issue is vital?

I don't think it's an important issue.

 

[NooBHA]

I know that that was just a throw away joke, but it really bugs me that changing your mind is used to beat politicians of all shades. We voters change our minds all over the time, and as events change then it is inevitable that initial interpretations will have to be revised, and yet it is considered to be a cardinal sin rather than sensible revision.

That's all very well when you are not in Government and you have just called an Election and say ''vote for me and we will do this for you'' Then change your mind as soon as the votes are in the bag. That's not adapting to circumstances. That's called lying.