Tony Bloom is to blame for the mess we are in....

[symyjym]

Why don't you just download the accounts from the companies house website?

I returned the exact question El Presidente gave to me when he should have stated that knew different. So I was being sarcastic.

It's a bit like asking someone why the sun rises and falls when you already know the answer.

The point is my comment still stands regardless a conflict with my guesstimate.

 

[Commander]

If someone has the time and knowledge of how to go about it, perhaps they could look at TB's gambling concern public accounts and see if there has been an increase in turnover/profit since he has been chairman of BHA...

What would that prove?

 

[stss30]

So this thread has turned into being pedantic about statistics because you don't agree with others concerns/opinions...Great.

 

[Spun Cuppa]

What would that prove?

I think it would show that being chairman of BHA increased his exposure in business circles, thus increasing his trade, with an increase in turnover/profit...

It intrigues me that we don't normally accept much of the spin that comes out of the club, but when it comes to 'official' loss figures, some are very sclerotic in their acceptance...

And while I'm in no way alluding to any possible 'incorrect' accounting, creativity is a trait highly valued in accountants...

 

[Guy Fawkes]

He also shouldn't forget the £18m - £20m the fans spend each year. Everyone talks about his money, but it is our money that keeps the club going.

This is what some fans seem to fail to grasp, that your ticket purchases only get you in to watch the team you support play a match. If you choose not to go, they would carry on without you as they did before you started to go to games and will do (hopefully) long after we are dead.

It doesn't give you any rights in having a say who they employ or how they run any more than a Star Wars fan buying a DVD of the film and then demanding that the costume designers be sacked because they dislike what some of the characters wear. The people behind Star Wars may decide to follow the demands from these fans to try to appease them in the hope they keep their custom and to thank their loyalty, but it doesn't mean those making the demands know best or are right in their demands and that the end result relies on these fans who by doing this give themselves some sense of importance when in truth, they are not. Some people can't seem to handle this fact just because it is a football club but the premise is the same

 

[El Presidente]

I will let people judge the posts.
I ought to get away before you ban me for disagreeing with you.

I've never banned anyone for disagreeing with me, you're just backing away after making nonsense claims.

 

[symyjym]

I get the numbers from the club accounts. Who is sneezing at people spending money on the club. You're figures were very inaccurate, that's all. TB covered the £14.8 million losses last season.

It was a guesstimate mr clever cloggs and I gave you an honest breakdown of how I came to it. If I got the average spend on a ticket wrong, big deal, I stand corrected, but the point I was making is still valid whether the fans spend £12m or £18m.

 

[El Presidente]

It was a guesstimate mr clever cloggs and I gave you an honest breakdown of how I came to it. If I got the average spend on a ticket wrong, big deal, I stand corrected, but the point I was making is still valid whether the fans spend £12m or £18m.

Your point is that football clubs wouldn't exist without fans. Neither would Sainsburys '. The difference is that Sainsbury didn't subsidise my grocery shopping by more than a pound per pound last year.

 

[El Presidente]

I returned the exact question El Presidente gave to me when he should have stated that knew different. So I was being sarcastic.

It's a bit like asking someone why the sun rises and falls when you already know the answer.

The point is my comment still stands regardless a conflict with my guesstimate.

I didn't know different, I looked it up.

 

[GT49er]

So this thread has turned into being pedantic about statistics because you don't agree with others concerns/opinions...Great.

Well said! For the last few pages of this thread I've wanted to say something like that, but couldn't think how to put it (other than saying both sides are making pillocks of themselves which would get me flamed from two sides, so I refrained from contributing).

You have summed it up most adroitly.

 

[terryberry1]

I've never banned anyone for disagreeing with me, you're just backing away after making nonsense claims.

You've got no fans

 

[El Presidente]

You've got no fans

Thank you for your insight Mr Sun Reader.

 

[terryberry1]

Thank you for your insight Mr Sun Reader.

You want some? If you want some i will give it to ya

 

[Creaky]

This is what some fans seem to fail to grasp, that your ticket purchases only get you in to watch the team you support play a match. If you choose not to go, they would carry on without you as they did before you started to go to games and will do (hopefully) long after we are dead.

It doesn't give you any rights in having a say who they employ or how they run any more than a Star Wars fan buying a DVD of the film and then demanding that the costume designers be sacked because they dislike what some of the characters wear. The people behind Star Wars may decide to follow the demands from these fans to try to appease them in the hope they keep their custom and to thank their loyalty, but it doesn't mean those making the demands know best or are right in their demands and that the end result relies on these fans who by doing this give themselves some sense of importance when in truth, they are not. Some people can't seem to handle this fact just because it is a football club but the premise is the same

A reasonable analogy if you consider a football club to be nothing more than a commercial place of entertainment - if however you consider it to be a civic amenity then the analogy doesn't hold - with other civic amenities those who make payments towards their upkeep do have a say in how they are run at the ballot box.

 

[symyjym]

This is what some fans seem to fail to grasp, that your ticket purchases only get you in to watch the team you support play a match. If you choose not to go, they would carry on without you as they did before you started to go to games and will do (hopefully) long after we are dead.

It doesn't give you any rights in having a say who they employ or how they run any more than a Star Wars fan buying a DVD of the film and then demanding that the costume designers be sacked because they dislike what some of the characters wear. The people behind Star Wars may decide to follow the demands from these fans to try to appease them in the hope they keep their custom and to thank their loyalty, but it doesn't mean those making the demands know best or are right in their demands and that the end result relies on these fans who by doing this give themselves some sense of importance when in truth, they are not. Some people can't seem to handle this fact just because it is a football club but the premise is the same

You have just got to make sure you make a damn good film.

 

[Pondicherry]

I've done a full search on him. Over 90% of his income comes from overseas, the Albion doesn't register on the scale.

That's interesting - assuming that is publicly available information, what is his annual income.

 

[El Presidente]

Going back to the original point of the OP, I agree that Tony Bloom is responsible for the current mess we are in, as without him we wouldn't be in a Championship relegation fight this season.

 

[El Presidente]

That's interesting - assuming that is publicly available information, what is his annual income.

It's not publicly available

 

[symyjym]

I didn't know different, I looked it up.

But I am sure you have published a lot of the figures on here before and was on top of these things

 

[glasfryn]

Going back to the original point of the OP, I agree that Tony Bloom is responsible for the current mess we are in, as without him we wouldn't be in a Championship relegation fight this season.

and without the fans he would not have had a club to save