Go and read about the crusades. Then come back and explain to me how they were not a strictly religious conflict.
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Go and read about the crusades. Then come back and explain to me how they were not a strictly religious conflict.
That would be the nun who is a member of a religion which actively discourages the most practical defence against the transmission of HIV.
Screaming J
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I have no problem with the little (or indeed any sized) Nun working with an Aids victim. I'll even hold her whimple and make a donation.
What I would have a problem with is the attitude that Aids is a punishment from God for Homosexuals and/or Fornicators.
beorhthelm
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only those with warped morals.
no, the difference on one side you have evidence and a better more workable theory (with experiments that can proof concepts), on the other you have nothing but faith. one one side you have enquiry and rational thought, on the other you have adherence to ancient ignorant dogma.
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Bevendean Hillbilly
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I'm just glad I don't believe in Allah.
He sure doesnt seem to like his lot very much.
He sure doesnt seem to like his lot very much.
Miracle premature baby declared dead by doctors revived by mother's touch | Mail Online
Evidence and theory pronouced this baby dead. Faith keeped him alive.
Don Quixote
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People are banging on about the crusades too much. It was more about money and prestige than anything else.
Bevendean Hillbilly
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Or perhaps medical incompetence declared him dead and biology kept him alive?
Also the Pope was concered about the huge ammount of soilders in Europe with very little to do.
It was so bad, he had to 'ban' murder of women and children on a Sunday.
Im not saying 'god' brought him back to life. I'm saying science failed where faith didn't.
He was 'dead' for 2 hours.
daveinprague
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Well, I dont believe that faith kept him alive at all. Maybe an incorrect diagnosis by the doctors in the first place, but faith didnt keep him alive.
He recovered whilst in his mothers arms, during a grieving moment. Not sure how faith, particularly in a God, kept the child alive.
Bevendean Hillbilly
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Well evidently he was'nt dead then was he.
I'll tell you what then. If you ever have a heart attack, or..I dont know.. get shot, why not go to church and not bother with A&E?
You're joking aren't you? All them virgins they get to abuse in 'paradise' when they die.
Which is ok in heaven, but woman are whores on earth apparently.
How do you know? People die in hospitals and then get electrocuted and braught back to life all the time.
Why is a mothers faith that her child will survive (not nessaseraly in 'god') any different?
daveinprague
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it doesnt mention a mothers faith anywhere in the report...she was holding her child as part of a common grieving practice and he responded...its got nothing to do with her faith. She was doing what any grieving mother would do. The doctors clearly got it wrong on this occassion. Science is always learning, especially from mistakes.
It doesn't say in the article that she was using her faith to bring him back to life, is I think the point. She was holding the baby in grief, not in the hope she could "bring him back".
There was no faith that the child would survive, just grieving.
EDIT: Beaten to it.
Bevendean Hillbilly
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Having spent some years working in Accident and Emergency departments I have more faith in a good defibrillator and some adrenaline than just "faith"
People who are "braught" back to life by electricity have to have some sort of cardiac rhythm, even if its all over the shop, otherwise all the electricity in the world won't work.
I have seen a child who was "dead" resucitated after an hour of work following a near drowning. The reason that child survived was because he was immersed in freezing water and this kept him in a sort of suspended animation until we warmed him up and he revived.
Otherwise...no cardiac rythmn means youre brown bread.
That's irrelevant. The baby "coming back" may have given her faith, but that doesn't mean faith bought the baby back, which was what you suggested. The mother's faith (if it existed) didn't occur until after the baby came back.