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Giraffe

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Aug 8, 2005
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Flinders 5 - dodgy keeper, did nothing of note

El Abd 6 - solid but not great
O'Ceaurill 7 - improved display but not Joe Lynch
Butters 6 - average performance
Mayo 7 - good comeback. DId little wrong defensively

Cox 6 - Good first half, look tired in the second half
Hammond 7 - solid all over the pitch display.
Bertin 7 - tackled well for most of the match, still looks calss although again faded second half.
Ward 6 - Good when things going well, bad when needed to get stuck in. Hence the substitution. The new codner?
Savage 6 - seemed to lack the aggression and strength shown in last three games.
Gatting 6 - Did okay in first half without lighting anything up

Subs:

Fraser 5 - Looked fired up, but perhaps too much in the end.
Elder 5 - ran around with little joy for twenty minutes
Revell 6 - Did what Gatting did in the first half, although probably less service to work with.

Overall, frankly I thought we did okay. Bristol City are arguably the best team in the division and for much of the first half we looked as good as them. Soft goal to concede, again from a set piece. Second half we looked tired and perhaps a bit resigned to defeat. Didn't get a goal when we were on top in the first half, and that ultimately killed us. No need to panic though. Just need to make sure this doesn't herald a five match losing run as it has done in the past.
 




Dave the OAP

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
46,762
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Bertin is the only one deserving more than a 5. he is class and I am not sure what the hell he is doing down here.
 


Barrel of Fun

Abort, retry, fail
Dave the Gaffer said:
Bertin is the only one deserving more than a 5. he is class and I am not sure what the hell he is doing down here.

I would say Hammond as well. Unfortunately, they didn't get enough support from their wingers.

Time for Frutos to have a run in the team!?
 


Dave the OAP

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
46,762
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he gave the ball away too much.


I was very unhappy with the way we played as a team today....I am not one of those its all fantastic, its all doom and gloom merchants, but I honestly felt with 15 minutes to go getting up and going.

I have never felt like that at Brighton before.

To a certain degree I want this season to finish and lets move on, because today was truly awful ( If Gillingham had taken their chances, that would have been the same)
 




Yorkie

Sussex born and bred
Jul 5, 2003
32,367
dahn sarf
Silent Bob said:
Flinders - 7 Bit butterfingered but a couple of decent saves.

El-Abd - 6 This is why he's not a right back. Even when he has passes on, he hoofs it.
O'Cearuill - 7 Did fine.
Butters - 6 Not at his best, Lynch was missed.
Mayo - 6 Ok. Supports attacks more than El-Abd, but he's not very good at it. :lolol:

Cox - 5 Looked up for it in the first half, although his crossing and final decision left a lot to be desired. Barely in the game second half.
Ward - 4 So frustrating, he's clearly got some ability. Not your typical Aussie battler either.
Bertin - 7 Classy but I would like to see him come forward more when we're on the ball, especially when we're losing.
Hammond - 8 MOTM Worked his bollocks off from box to box, and one of the better players on the ball, shame it went over the midfield most of the time.

Gatting - 5 Him and Savage are too immobile as a pair and played too far apart.
Savage - 5 Slightly disappointing after raising my expectations of him!

Subs -
Revell - 6 Gave us a bit more movement up front.
Elder - 6 As above
Fraser - 5 Didn't do much, didn't look a red but not really the man you need to chase a game, where are Robinson and Hart?? We need to be able to change things from the bench, not swap like for like.

That sums it up for me too.
 


SNOOBS

New member
Feb 25, 2007
4,015
Brighton
Flinders - 7 Didn't keep hoofing it up the field like the rest of the team were, actually found a player out wide, nothing he could do about goals.

El-abd - 6 Made some decent challenges but needed to keep the ball on the ground
O'Cearuill - 6 Solid enough
Butters - 5 Slow as ever, should of stayed tighter on Jevons or Brooker
Mayo - 4 Didn't even look up before he hoofed it up field

Cox - 6 Lively but no support
Ward - 5 Is a poof
Bertin - 7 Good passing bit tired as game went on, probably mom
Hammond - 6 Was doing well until a pretty needless lunge to end the game for us!

Gatting - 3 Fat, slow, lost the ball, why does he start?
Bas Savage - 6 Held the ball up well but lack of support

Subs
Fraser - um . . . should i say anything?
Revell - not sure whether he will work well with Bas
Elder - Was brought on too late, should of tried to work off revell and Bas a bit more
 








Jul 5, 2003
23,777
Polegate
The Large One said:
My beef is Dean Wilkins' 'diamond' midfield. For me, it doesn't work. It mean we have very little width. I would refer he sticks to an orthodox 4-4-2 line-up.

Anyhoo, my MoM was Bertin, followed by Hammond, followed by Mayo.

It may not be pretty, but it's been effective up until now. I just think we need to mix it up every now and then.

We don't have width anyway, because we 've only got one winger who is always played on his weaker side. What's that all about?
 


The Large One

Who's Next?
Jul 7, 2003
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Withdean Wanderer said:
It may not be pretty, but it's been effective up until now. I just think we need to mix it up every now and then.

We don't have width anyway, because we 've only got one winger who is always played on his weaker side. What's that all about?
We've done better when we've ABANDONED the diamond. Points in case, second half v Leyton Orient. Second half v Notts Forest. We played it the whole game against Gillingham, and were massacred 1-0 to us for it. How did we win that game I wonder? We played it today, and it just doesn't work.

Having said that, two forwards who weren't prepared to move for the ball in the first half, and lumping it to two static trees in the second half didn't help either.

MOVE ABOUT A BIT, YOU LOT.
 




andybaha

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Jan 3, 2007
737
Piddinghoe
Flinders - 6 - Fumbled a couple of times. I did like the way he tried to throw the ball out quickly.

El-Abd - 6 - always committed but distribution was poor.
0'Gooner - 6 - Ok but we missed Lynch today.
Butters - 6 - Solid enough
Mayo - 7 - I thought he had a good game defensively. Distribution was not the greatest but have the feeling his instructions were to just boot it upfield.

Cox - 5 - I don't think he has had much impact on a game for a while now. How he was MOM is a mystery.
Bertin - 7 - Looks a class above the rest. Tired in the second half, maybe Gillingham took its toll.
Ward - 5 - He has never convinced me. Gets into good positions but doesn't exploit them and gives the ball away too easily.
Hammond - 7 - Reminded me a bit of Beckham for England 4 or 5 years ago. Not saying he's anything like Beckham for ability but as captain he works and chases to make up for the innadequacies
of the rest of the team. From where I was, it was a penalty.

Savage - 5 - 7ft 6ins tall and hardly ever wins the ball in the air. Still don't think he is the answer to our lack of firepower.
Gatting - 5 - Another Scott Ramsay. Conference in a year or two.


Revell - 6 - Chased everything but don't think him and Bas are the golden pair.
Fraser - 5 - Couldn't see if it was a sending off.
Elder - 5 - Needs to start a game. Not sure what the point of keep bringing him on with 15 mins to go is.

I think Bristol City are a good side and I think it was a good reality check. We do not have play off potential let alone think about playing in the Championship. We were beaten by a better team and you cannot blame that on the referee.

I am still baffled by the choice of subs. Savage, Gatting, Revell and Elder are all big blokes. Choose any two from four and you will get the same result. Surely you would pick Robinson or Hart as one of the subs simply to provide a different option.
 


Jul 5, 2003
6,776
Bristol
andybaha said:


I am still baffled by the choice of subs. Savage, Gatting, Revell and Elder are all big blokes. Choose any two from four and you will get the same result. Surely you would pick Robinson or Hart as one of the subs simply to provide a different option.

Pretty astute- Robinson has lost form but does he deserve to be left out all together? More importantly can we afford to do that?!
 


BensGrandad

New member
Jul 13, 2003
72,015
Haywards Heath
What is being forgotten is that both Gatting and Fraser are young and under normal circumstances would be brought on slowly probably as a sub but due to our situation they have both been rushed into immediate 1st team acrion.
 




Jim D

Well-known member
Jul 23, 2003
5,268
Worthing
Flinders 7 - fumbled their first shot but looked competent after that. No chance with the goals.
El-Abd 6 - tackled well and broke up play but also got himself into trouble by not keeping it simple. Passing was ok but crosses were poor. Could easily have been booked several times.
Butters 6 - experience and anticipation kept him in the game. Probably 4 games in 15 days was just too much.
O'Cearuill 7 - slow to start but got more into the game and made a couple of good interceptions 2nd half. Sorry he's going as I doubt Lynch will be fit for next week.
Mayo 6 - got his tackles in but was exposed by their winger and lucky not to be booked. Looks ok going forward but worryingly short of pace if caught out of position.
Bertin 8 - did everything simply and broke up City's attacks all over the park. Good distribution too. This guy is the reason we're staying up this season but don't expect him to be around for the next one - he's bound to be tapped up by a champ side (if he hasn't been already).
Hammond 7 - good all-round display and could easily have scored on a couple of occasions. Definite penalty though.
Cox 6 - threatened during 1st half and got clear but final product was not his normal quality. Perhaps he got tired in the 2nd.
Ward 6 - had our best chance in the 1st - good save by their keeper. Looks a threat to them around their box and a threat to us around ours.
Gatting 5 - ran and competed but always seemed too far away from Savage for them to link up effectively. The only time they got close (just after they scored) he layed it on for Savage to have a good shot on target.
Savage 6 - good holdup play and won balls all over the pitch. Couldn't link with Gatting though.

Revell 5 - ran and competed well but didn't do enough with the chances he had. Perhaps the pitch didn't help.
Fraser 4 - didn't see why he was sent off but was having a poor game before that anyway. Very poor cross from a great pass by Hammond to get him away.
Elder 5 - not enough time but couldn't seem to get into the game. Had a chance at the end for a consolation goal.
 


Icy Gull

Back on the rollercoaster
Jul 5, 2003
72,015
Jim D said:
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Bertin 8 - did everything simply and broke up City's attacks all over the park. Good distribution too. This guy is the reason we're staying up this season but don't expect him to be around for the next one - he's bound to be tapped up by a champ side (if he hasn't been already).

Obviously I have no idea what the deal is with him, apart from taking over his contract to the end of the season, but should we be making efforts to sign him for longer, or have we spent all we've got just getting him here for this season?
 


B.M.F

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Aug 2, 2003
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the right footed denilson said:
Pretty astute- Robinson has lost form but does he deserve to be left out all together? More importantly can we afford to do that?!
I think you will find it is called resting him mate. I think he will miss the crewe game then will be back in the side as Cox is rested for a few games.
 


Beach Hut

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 5, 2003
72,324
Living In a Box
Icy Gull said:
Obviously I have no idea what the deal is with him, apart from taking over his contract to the end of the season, but should we be making efforts to sign him for longer, or have we spent all we've got just getting him here for this season?

I suspect the club will try but maybe his agent sees better things for him ?
 




Yorkie

Sussex born and bred
Jul 5, 2003
32,367
dahn sarf
Lord Bracknell said:
That is complete bollocks.

Sorry.

A couple of very classy corners. Some superb tackles. Some excellent work coming forward. And good balls into the box.

A complete contrast to the dodgy hoofer on the other side of the park.

I'm in complete agreement. For some reason Mayo could score in every game, take a perfect corner every time and still not get a decent reaction on Nsc.
 


Jim D

Well-known member
Jul 23, 2003
5,268
Worthing
Yesterday was the perfect example of why Mayo gets such a wide range of marks:
He made some very good tackles and cleared his line very effectively but he was also caught out pushing up, passed poorly (often into touch) and looked a bit slow. I also think, as he's often the nearest player to the supporters, his failings are all too obvious (we tend to ignore his good points as they're expected from a pro footballer).
He's no Ashley Cole or Wayne Bridge but people should also remember what league we're in.
 


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