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[Albion] To Avoid Potter Bashing - the staying up tracker - season 2019-2020 Game 38 UPDATE



Stat Brother

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No away wins whatsoever - not even for an unlikely forecast of fixtures that qualifies us for Europe? Was this the same last season?
 


nickbrighton

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This is quite interesting, especially as I did the first ever "Stay-Up - O - Meter" on here many years back.

The thing is, there is a far, far simpler way of tracking survival and that is to average a point-per-game. So long as we have more or an equal number of points per matches played then we are on track to stay-up.

Albion & England forever.

Thimble Keegan
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Although that would only show what we require on average, taking no account of those games we are more likely to pick up points from, and those, where to be honest, its likely we wont. The beauty of Giraffe's tracker is that it gives a pretty good indication of how we are doing in relation to where we could reasonably expect to be at any given point of the season. Although only in its third season this tracker has become to "go to page" after every match.
 


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No away wins whatsoever - not even for an unlikely forecast of fixtures that qualifies us for Europe? Was this the same last season?

Well done, the first award for not reading the rationale of the tracker. More will follow no doubt :)

Yes it's the same as last season.
 




ConfusedGloryHunter

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This tracker thing is what keeps me sane (and hopefully bone dry) all season.
 


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Well, we certainly didn't start too well at Watford last season, so a point after one game already looks VERY optimistic :)
(Does look fairly straight forward when broken down like this...)
 






Thimble Keegan

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Although that would only show what we require on average, taking no account of those games we are more likely to pick up points from, and those, where to be honest, its likely we wont. The beauty of Giraffe's tracker is that it gives a pretty good indication of how we are doing in relation to where we could reasonably expect to be at any given point of the season. Although only in its third season this tracker has become to "go to page" after every match.

But you cannot guarantee points against any clubs, so earmarking where you will your points from is a little strange. I understand that you can write off wins against the "Big 6", especially away from home but the rest can depend on many factors.

Since Watford have been promoted they have been favourites for relegation every season, so after our comfortable survival the 2 years ago, I bet 99% of Albion fans would have been confident going to Vicarage Road at the start of last season...But we were turd and got beat. Also, Fulham who finished second-bottom we only took 1 point from and 3rd bottom Cardiff we got zero points out of. So it is difficult to judge who we will and won't beat.

So I like the idea of averaging a point-per-game as it takes out the worry of who we are playing so long as we are hitting the average we know we will be fine.

Albion & England forever.

Thimble Keegan
Westminster BHA
 


Ernest

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But you cannot guarantee points against any clubs, so earmarking where you will your points from is a little strange. I understand that you can write off wins against the "Big 6", especially away from home but the rest can depend on many factors.

Since Watford have been promoted they have been favourites for relegation every season, so after our comfortable survival the 2 years ago, I bet 99% of Albion fans would have been confident going to Vicarage Road at the start of last season...But we were turd and got beat. Also, Fulham who finished second-bottom we only took 1 point from and 3rd bottom Cardiff we got zero points out of. So it is difficult to judge who we will and won't beat.

So I like the idea of averaging a point-per-game as it takes out the worry of who we are playing so long as we are hitting the average we know we will be fine.

Albion & England forever.

Thimble Keegan
Westminster BHA

Far better way is your way, 1.05 points a match for 40 points is easier to track than predicting which games we may get points from
 






FatSuperman

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So I like the idea of averaging a point-per-game as it takes out the worry of who we are playing so long as we are hitting the average we know we will be fine.

For me, that only starts to make sense toward the end of the season. This tracker is a specific target per game. If we play the first five games and end with 5 points, your model says we are on track, when we blatantly wouldn’t be. You’d be happily bumbling about whereas the rest of us would have sodden sheets and be bashing the life out of our Potter
 


FatSuperman

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Far better way is your way, 1.05 points a match for 40 points is easier to track than predicting which games we may get points from


You lads should run a second tracker, for the people that want a more straight forward view. 5.25 points after game five then?
 


Baldseagull

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Far better way is your way, 1.05 points a match for 40 points is easier to track than predicting which games we may get points from

But could leave you sleeping in piss if we have a run of tougher fixtures.
 




Postman Pat

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Well, we certainly didn't start too well at Watford last season, so a point after one game already looks VERY optimistic :)
(Does look fairly straight forward when broken down like this...)

Lets hope there is still a hangover from being tonked by Man City in the cup (I know there is no chance of this just want to clutch at some straws from game 1!)
 


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But you cannot guarantee points against any clubs, so earmarking where you will your points from is a little strange. I understand that you can write off wins against the "Big 6", especially away from home but the rest can depend on many factors.

Since Watford have been promoted they have been favourites for relegation every season, so after our comfortable survival the 2 years ago, I bet 99% of Albion fans would have been confident going to Vicarage Road at the start of last season...But we were turd and got beat. Also, Fulham who finished second-bottom we only took 1 point from and 3rd bottom Cardiff we got zero points out of. So it is difficult to judge who we will and won't beat.

So I like the idea of averaging a point-per-game as it takes out the worry of who we are playing so long as we are hitting the average we know we will be fine.

Albion & England forever.

Thimble Keegan
Westminster BHA

New line included just for you Flat Earth lot.
 

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Thimble Keegan

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New line included just for you Flat Earth lot.

I actually went to school with a girl who was convinced that the earth was a flat triangle and would not have it any other way.

I think I when I did the original one way back when, I based it on getting a certain amount of points per month to stay-up in The Championship.

Albion & England forever.

Thimble Keegan
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Triggaaar

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I must confess, I did hesitate! But then thought I'd get slated if I lost it.
So you've put our Premier League survival at risk purely because you didn't want to get slated. You make me sick you gutless coward.
 




Triggaaar

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This is quite interesting, especially as I did the first ever "Stay-Up - O - Meter" on here many years back.
:shrug:
The thing is, there is a far, far simpler way of tracking survival and that is to average a point-per-game. So long as we have more or an equal number of points per matches played then we are on track to stay-up.
Simpler, yes, but crap.
 


Giraffe

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So you've put our Premier League survival at risk purely because you didn't want to get slated. You make me sick you gutless coward.

Yes a pathetic cowardly act. That said we didn't go down last season either.
 


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