To all those who used to slag off Wilkins...

[blockhseagull]

I think it,s very relevant to decisions made by our chairman.

Made months ago and already done to death on here

 

[Knotty]

I am worried about the current situation, but I dont think seeing it through the "Wilkins was better than Adams" view is helpful.

Wilkins wanted to play keep ball, often using the diamond, and to break teams down with "modern" passing football. What was mostly served up was crap, with the style often looking negative and the result was a few passes along the backline followed by a hoof up the pitch from one of the full backs. I remember countless interviews after games where Wilkins was quizzed about the style of play and he intimated he was frustrated and wanted a passing game. When the team tried they usually didnt have the players to pull it off. The exceptions, as people have pointed out, where when we had O'Callaghan and Racon, when we looked better. Lets not forget - crowds were dwindling and fans were really fed up and bored.

So what have we got now. Mickey Adams is being slated for being a long ball merchant. But listen to him. The style he wants is fast, one-touch football with attacks down the flanks and crosses into the centre. The team are not pulling it off. It seems to me we are having the wrong debate - whatever the rights and wrongs Wilkins sacking (personally I thought it was right). It seems that the players cannot carry out either manager's instructions. This leads me to the conclusion that they are not good enough; particularly the midfield, which is woeful. I dont know what is going on - whether Dick Knight thought that Micky Adams could do a better job with little resource and spending, but it is not proving to be true. So, sacking Micky would not help. My God, where would be then? At least there is hope that he can turn it round at the moment. But if I was him, I would be in Dick Knight's office saying I cant work with this squad - we need to spend.

The sad thing for us fans is not only do we have to endure Withdean but is now a long a time since we had reglularly entertaining football to watch.

We really do need better players, not a new manager.

I'm afraid your reasoned and common sense opinion will not be welcome on NSC.

You have to demand success because you deserve it because you are a good fan and you deserve it more than fans of other clubs.

You have to demand that DK steps down because what happened on Saturday is all his fault, but you must ignore the fact that no mega-rich new chairman is drooling at the wonderful prospect of taking over BHA.

Also completely ignore the fact that we don't have the quality of players we want because we can't afford them but demand all sorts of higher quality players be signed. After all, your support deserves to see better players regardless of much the transfers fees/wages are.

Oh and sack Adams because Wilkins would definitely have done better. You know that for a fact becuase you can see into the future.

 

[Mendoza]

Many of you have such a short memory regarding Wilkins, we played some terrible football under him, mediocre at best, very negative play where we could of gone for a win but Wilkins played it safe. Many awful games, Cheltenham and Mansfield to name but a few, and now it's not all rosey with Adams people are now hailing Wilkins as some sort of wonder manager?

I think its maybe because under Adams we have so far played exactly how you have described Wilkins games in the bit I quoted.

I got really annoyed with the Adams out and booing on Saturday at half time, there was really no need, and after the game was shocking.

We havent played 10 games, its not even October, and yet people still expect Adams to come in and change everything into 7-0 wins every game home and away

 

[Elder for England]

I think its maybe because under Adams we have so far played exactly how you have described Wilkins games in the bit I quoted.

I got really annoyed with the Adams out and booing on Saturday at half time, there was really no need, and after the game was shocking.

We havent played 10 games, its not even October, and yet people still expect Adams to come in and change everything into 7-0 wins every game home and away

Of course I see how people are annoyed, myself included, but as you said there's no need for this especially after such a small amount of games. There's a long time left to put things right and people need to be paitent not get on his back, calling for him to be sacked and bringing Wilkins up again and again.

I think people had high expectations when Adams came in, and it hasn't lived up to it, doesn't mean that it never will.

 

[cjd]

Made months ago and already done to death on here

The decision to sack Wilkins and replace him with Adams, was indeed done some months ago........(possibly as much as 9 - 10 months ago..!).

However, it is only NOW, we have now seen a reasonable example of Adam,s football, and now is the time to compare him with Wilkins.

For those who are unhappy with the football now being churned out..............the time is right to debate the wisdom.... (or lack of )...of our Chairman with his decisions.

 

[Knotty]

Of course I see how people are annoyed, myself included, but as you said there's no need for this especially after such a small amount of games. There's a long time left to put things right and people need to be paitent not get on his back, calling for him to be sacked and bringing Wilkins up again and again.

I think people had high expectations when Adams came in, and it hasn't lived up to it, doesn't mean that it never will.

The high expectations are a problem and they seem to have been much higher in the last few years than I remember in the past 40 years!

Calling for a new manager will do what? Firstly, if we want a manager who is significantly better than Adams, he'll need to be paid accordingly. Can we afford it? And in the hypothetical scenario of having a Ferguson or Wenger as manager, how much better would they do with our current set of players? Not much is my guess.

 

[NMH]

...is pretty much what Adams alluded to - without naming names - in his after-match comments on the Seagulls website.

It appears the squad he inherited is not good enough for what he wants to do.

Well every manager would be happy to inherit Chelsea's squad, but that's not who are on the current books. If he doesn't think the squad is good enough for what he wants, I still fail to see how they are seemingly worse than they were before, and the tactical 'nouse' they exhibit is absolutely tragic.

 

[Mendoza]

Well every manager would be happy to inherit Chelsea's squad, but that's not who are on the current books. If he doesn't think the squad is good enough for what he wants, I still fail to see how they are seemingly worse than they were before, and the tactical 'nouse' they exhibit is absolutely tragic.

is this the squad he inherited AFTER 7 new signings which HE made??

 

[Brovion]

Er....Tim - you gave an example where we actually scored goals and apparently tangibly competed somewhat.

Saturday was awesome....ly embarrassing. That's worse than just bad, or getting a poor result.

I don't disagree, I just think it's a bit early for DK to start sharpening his axe.

 

[Elder for England]

The high expectations are a problem and they seem to have been much higher in the last few years than I remember in the past 40 years!

Calling for a new manager will do what? Firstly, if we want a manager who is significantly better than Adams, he'll need to be paid accordingly. Can we afford it? And in the hypothetical scenario of having a Ferguson or Wenger as manager, how much better would they do with our current set of players? Not much is my guess.

Expectations have got a lot higher, people want success instantly, and some do not realise things take time. We all know the home games have been awful, the players included, but people need to be paitent. And I do agree with you, our current set of players, many of them I do not think are good enough, and I think Adams realises we need quite a few more.

 

[Mendoza]

. And I do agree with you, our current set of players, many of them I do not think are good enough, and I think Adams realises we need quite a few more.

Adams need to take some responsibility for the players too, as I said he made 7 signings, and only 2, possibly 3 (so far) have looked worth while.

Not many new managers get to make 7 signings, and I know he hasnt spent a penny on fees, but still 7 is a lot

 

[Elder for England]

Adams need to take some responsibility for the players too, as I said he made 7 signings, and only 2, possibly 3 (so far) have looked worth while.

Not many new managers get to make 7 signings, and I know he hasnt spent a penny on fees, but still 7 is a lot

Who are the 7, I can only think of 4?

Edit: 6

 

[NMH]

is this the squad he inherited AFTER 7 new signings which HE made??

True. I was being kind.

 

[Mendoza]

Who are the 7, I can only think of 4?

Edit: 6

Virgo
Livermore
Hawkins
Mayo
Hart
Richards
Anyinsah

 

[Elder for England]

Virgo
Livermore
Hawkins
Mayo
Hart
Richards
Anyinsah

Forgot Virgo and Anyinsah. It's 8 then as McLeod.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

...and said no Adams team would ever play as badly as we did at home to Mansfield in the cup, I give you:

Brighton NIL v NINE man Walsall who hadn't kept a clean sheet in WEEKS 1.

SAKE.

Not looking such a great idea to get rid of Dean now is it?

Are you so important that you need your own thread on the subject to go with other 20? You egotistical tit.

 

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

Virgo
Livermore
Hawkins
Mayo
Hart
Richards
Anyinsah

Forgot Virgo and Anyinsah. It's 8 then as McLeod.

or 9 - Compton.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

I am worried about the current situation, but I dont think seeing it through the "Wilkins was better than Adams" view is helpful.

Wilkins wanted to play keep ball, often using the diamond, and to break teams down with "modern" passing football. What was mostly served up was crap, with the style often looking negative and the result was a few passes along the backline followed by a hoof up the pitch from one of the full backs. I remember countless interviews after games where Wilkins was quizzed about the style of play and he intimated he was frustrated and wanted a passing game. When the team tried they usually didnt have the players to pull it off. The exceptions, as people have pointed out, where when we had O'Callaghan and Racon, when we looked better. Lets not forget - crowds were dwindling and fans were really fed up and bored.

So what have we got now. Mickey Adams is being slated for being a long ball merchant. But listen to him. The style he wants is fast, one-touch football with attacks down the flanks and crosses into the centre. The team are not pulling it off. It seems to me we are having the wrong debate - whatever the rights and wrongs Wilkins sacking (personally I thought it was right). It seems that the players cannot carry out either manager's instructions. This leads me to the conclusion that they are not good enough; particularly the midfield, which is woeful. I dont know what is going on - whether Dick Knight thought that Micky Adams could do a better job with little resource and spending, but it is not proving to be true. So, sacking Micky would not help. My God, where would be then? At least there is hope that he can turn it round at the moment. But if I was him, I would be in Dick Knight's office saying I cant work with this squad - we need to spend.

The sad thing for us fans is not only do we have to endure Withdean but is now a long a time since we had reglularly entertaining football to watch.

We really do need better players, not a new manager.

Now, there's a post worth it's own thread.

 

[Mendoza]

or 9 - Compton.

So why has Adams said the board have been unkind to him on the transfer front? 9 signings is almost a whole team!!! And he cant say bad things about the team he inherited if 9 signings is part of it surely?

 

[Uncle Buck]

Many of you have such a short memory regarding Wilkins, we played some terrible football under him, mediocre at best, very negative play where we could of gone for a win but Wilkins played it safe. Many awful games, Cheltenham and Mansfield to name but a few, and now it's not all rosey with Adams people are now hailing Wilkins as some sort of wonder manager?

However football is result, not performance driven and under Wilkins we were winning homes in the league, something we have not yet done under Adams.