To all those who used to slag off Wilkins...

[Lord Large]

...and said no Adams team would ever play as badly as we did at home to Mansfield in the cup, I give you:

Brighton NIL v NINE man Walsall who hadn't kept a clean sheet in WEEKS 1.

SAKE.

Not looking such a great idea to get rid of Dean now is it?

 

[blockhseagull]

Why do we have to drag this up AGAIN

 

[Lord Large]

Well the pro Adams brigade celebrate every minor triumph like winning the world cup so need some balance...

 

[backson]

Well don't forget, according to some he went because of man-management issues.

So it's good that we won't see that sort of thing with Adams and ....err.... oh.

 

[blockhseagull]

Do we really need yet another Wilkins v Adams debate ?

Whats done is done, everyone has their opinions and have been done to death on here. Doubt another thread is going to change anyones mind or see anything that hasn't been said a hundred times before

 

[blockhseagull]

Well don't forget, according to some he went because of man-management issues.

So it's good that we won't see that sort of thing with Adams and ....err.... oh.

Meaning ?

 

[Spider]

Meaning ?

I think he's referring to the Joel Lynch situation.

 

[blockhseagull]

I think he's referring to the Joel Lynch situation.

I guessed that, but how is that down to man management ?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

We are mid table in the league , we have progressed to the next round in both cup competitions and we have Man City at home on Wednesday.

MICKY ADAMS BLUE & WHITE ARMY

 

[Mendoza]

...and said no Adams team would ever play as badly as we did at home to Mansfield in the cup, I give you:

Brighton NIL v NINE man Walsall who hadn't kept a clean sheet in WEEKS 1.

SAKE.

Not looking such a great idea to get rid of Dean now is it?

The last 4 home games in a row, I have heard people say at the game and on here, thats the worst performance EVER.

It cant be getting that bad surely??

Walsall was more embarrassing than anything else, we have been pleading for the team to keep the ball on the deck, and we actually did for once, but with no cutting edge or meaningful attack play

 

[Hercules Rockerfeller]

So, when we lost under Wilkin's people complained? never! Who ever heard of football fans moaning after a defeat? And now it is happening again when we're having a bad run? This is a very interesting development. Is this a unique situation, or are just about all fans of clubs who aren't top of their respective divisions unhappy at the moment?

 

[The Large One]

We had some decent games under Dean, but we had some absolute shockers too, and people wanted rid.

However, that's in the past, and the debate has no purpose other than as a hypothetical debate.

 

[Brovion]

Do we really need yet another Wilkins v Adams debate ?

Whats done is done, everyone has their opinions and have been done to death on here. Doubt another thread is going to change anyones mind or see anything that hasn't been said a hundred times before

As someone who also thought it was a backward step I agree. Also it IS early days, During Adams first spell I remember once after a 4-3 home defeat against Rochdale (I think) there was a group of young lads chanting 'Adams Out!' because we seemed to be going backwards. We're not even at the end of September yet and the Doom and Gloom brigade are already out in force.

A semi-decent performance against City and everyone will be smiling again and it could prove the kick-start our season needs.

 

[NMH]

As someone who also thought it was a backward step I agree. Also it IS early days, During Adams first spell I remember once after a 4-3 home defeat against Rochdale (I think) there was a group of young lads chanting 'Adams Out!' because we seemed to be going backwards. We're not even at the end of September yet and the Doom and Gloom brigade are already out in force.

A semi-decent performance against City and everyone will be smiling again and it could prove the kick-start our season needs.

Er....Tim - you gave an example where we actually scored goals and apparently tangibly competed somewhat.

Saturday was awesome....ly embarrassing. That's worse than just bad, or getting a poor result.

 

[Dr Bandler]

Worried

I am worried about the current situation, but I dont think seeing it through the "Wilkins was better than Adams" view is helpful.

Wilkins wanted to play keep ball, often using the diamond, and to break teams down with "modern" passing football. What was mostly served up was crap, with the style often looking negative and the result was a few passes along the backline followed by a hoof up the pitch from one of the full backs. I remember countless interviews after games where Wilkins was quizzed about the style of play and he intimated he was frustrated and wanted a passing game. When the team tried they usually didnt have the players to pull it off. The exceptions, as people have pointed out, where when we had O'Callaghan and Racon, when we looked better. Lets not forget - crowds were dwindling and fans were really fed up and bored.

So what have we got now. Mickey Adams is being slated for being a long ball merchant. But listen to him. The style he wants is fast, one-touch football with attacks down the flanks and crosses into the centre. The team are not pulling it off. It seems to me we are having the wrong debate - whatever the rights and wrongs Wilkins sacking (personally I thought it was right). It seems that the players cannot carry out either manager's instructions. This leads me to the conclusion that they are not good enough; particularly the midfield, which is woeful. I dont know what is going on - whether Dick Knight thought that Micky Adams could do a better job with little resource and spending, but it is not proving to be true. So, sacking Micky would not help. My God, where would be then? At least there is hope that he can turn it round at the moment. But if I was him, I would be in Dick Knight's office saying I cant work with this squad - we need to spend.

The sad thing for us fans is not only do we have to endure Withdean but is now a long a time since we had reglularly entertaining football to watch.

We really do need better players, not a new manager.

 

[The Large One]

...is pretty much what Adams alluded to - without naming names - in his after-match comments on the Seagulls website.

It appears the squad he inherited is not good enough for what he wants to do.

 

[Paddy B]

I am worried about the current situation, but I dont think seeing it through the "Wilkins was better than Adams" view is helpful.

Wilkins wanted to play keep ball, often using the diamond, and to break teams down with "modern" passing football. What was mostly served up was crap, with the style often looking negative and the result was a few passes along the backline followed by a hoof up the pitch from one of the full backs. I remember countless interviews after games where Wilkins was quizzed about the style of play and he intimated he was frustrated and wanted a passing game. When the team tried they usually didnt have the players to pull it off. The exceptions, as people have pointed out, where when we had O'Callaghan and Racon, when we looked better. Lets not forget - crowds were dwindling and fans were really fed up and bored.

So what have we got now. Mickey Adams is being slated for being a long ball merchant. But listen to him. The style he wants is fast, one-touch football with attacks down the flanks and crosses into the centre. The team are not pulling it off. It seems to me we are having the wrong debate - whatever the rights and wrongs Wilkins sacking (personally I thought it was right). It seems that the players cannot carry out either manager's instructions. This leads me to the conclusion that they are not good enough; particularly the midfield, which is woeful. I dont know what is going on - whether Dick Knight thought that Micky Adams could do a better job with little resource and spending, but it is not proving to be true. So, sacking Micky would not help. My God, where would be then? At least there is hope that he can turn it round at the moment. But if I was him, I would be in Dick Knight's office saying I cant work with this squad - we need to spend.

The sad thing for us fans is not only do we have to endure Withdean but is now a long a time since we had reglularly entertaining football to watch.

We really do need better players, not a new manager.

Seems pretty spot on to me. Saturday was embarrasing but I expect Harry Redknapp is feeling pretty embarrased this morning but I can guarantee no-one is caling for his head.

Lets put things into persepective. We are mid-table a few games in. Do we have any right to expect (given our resoucres or lack of) to be any higher?

 

[Elder for England]

Why is this being brought up again?? Let it go. Wilkins is not manager, Adams is. There were a variety of reasons why Wilkins left, Adams has been charge for 9 games so why are you writing him off already?

 

[cjd]

Why do we have to drag this up AGAIN

I think it,s very relevant to decisions made by our chairman.

 

[Elder for England]

Many of you have such a short memory regarding Wilkins, we played some terrible football under him, mediocre at best, very negative play where we could of gone for a win but Wilkins played it safe. Many awful games, Cheltenham and Mansfield to name but a few, and now it's not all rosey with Adams people are now hailing Wilkins as some sort of wonder manager?