Thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians spotted at the borders

[BadFish]

On Jan 1, Britain lifted restrictions on Romanians and Bulgarians coming to work. Some will be eligible — quite legally — to pay taxes abroad



Romanians and Bulgarians coming to work can avoid paying taxes in Britain because of a loophole.


Instead they can pay taxes at home where basic rates are much lower.


The rules allow European workers “posted” to Britain for less than two years to pay national insurance and, in some cases, income tax in their own country.


Almost 100,000 EU immigrants already in Britain are taking advantage of the regulations.


The head of Romania’s biggest recruitment agency, which has just set up an office in London, said yesterday it was perfectly legitimate for workers coming to Britain to pay tax in their own country.


“If you are not becoming a tax resident because you are a temporary worker you can pay the tax in your country of origin,” said Andreas Cser, president of Tjobs Recruit. “If you don’t become resident in Britain then you can end up paying taxes in Romania and Bulgaria.” His company was yesterday advertising 4,500 jobs for Romanians in Britain including taxi drivers, care assistants, doctors and beauticians.

On Jan 1, Britain lifted restrictions on Romanians and Bulgarians coming to work. Some will be eligible — quite legally — to pay taxes abroad. EU migrants working in Britain but paying tax abroad would be entitled to some free health care, housing benefit and child benefit.
Bulgaria charges a flat rate of tax of just 10 per cent on earnings while Romania levies just 16 per cent, compared with a basic UK rate of tax of 32 per cent, comprised of 20 per cent income tax and National Insurance contributions at 12 per cent.
Tjobs advertises the service on its website, offering to fill out the correct forms to comply with UK and EU rules.
Under EU rules, workers may be posted abroad for up to two years — and potentially longer — allowing them to pay the equivalent of national insurance in their home state. “Posted” workers’ contracts must respect the labour law of the host country, but social security charges remain those of the home state.
Separate UK tax treaties can also allow workers to continue to pay income tax in their home country.

Is this different to the rest of the EU?

 

[EDS]

Just what we need, more foreigners

 

[User removed 4]

Sorry, what exactly is the threat here? Violent begging? Grew up with that around Norfolk Square from pissed up white English folk. Strain on services? RSCH is one of the worst hospitals in the country. You don't want to end up long term sick / geriatric here already and you certainly don't want to hear the horror stories about the birth of my eldest. School places? Not enough to go around already but that's ok because they're no more housing left either, Romanian, Indian or born in the aforementioned RSCH. Crime? I live in Portslade which saw a huge surge in burglaries pre Christmas not to mention a betting shop stabbing. To date those nicked have been white British. House prices? Already f***ing stupid thanks to Down From Londoners.

Do I go about wringing my hands over this? Nope. I'm quite happy with my lot because compared to a s***hole in rural Romania I'm alright jack indeed. If I lived there and there was a truly free market I would get the hell out. Are you in favour of the free market or is National socialism more your thing? Genuine question, not trying to be funny.

So why stay in Brighton? Because of its vibrant culture. And here's where I think immigrants help. Immigrants have always improved or embellished on our music, art, literature and food. If the cost of that is a couple of them getting benefits they're not entitled to then there are plenty of white British at that game too.

A quite frankly, laughable comparison, you seem to be saying if things are bad in brighton, or your case portslade,( you dont know your ****ing born btw, if you consider that bad) then it doesnt matter if immigrants come in and add to the problem , what planet are you on ?

 

[Hamilton]

A quite frankly, laughable comparison, you seem to be saying if things are bad in brighton, or your case portslade,( you dont know your ****ing born btw, if you consider that bad) then it doesnt matter if immigrants come in and add to the problem , what planet are you on ?

You haven't read his post at all (or you've chosen to deliberately ignore what Guinness Boy is saying) and instead thrown out another wild statement without backing it up whatsoever. Yours is the politics of hate. You bang on about the 'sharp end' and have a crack at Guinness Boy for mentioning Portslade whilst you sit in the backwater of Haywards Heath. Nowhere in the post did GB say Portsalde was particularly bad compared to other areas. Wilful crooked thinking from you.

The point GB makes - quite clearly - is that the benefits of immigration should not be underestimated when the cost to us as taxpayers (relative to everything else we pay out for) is not that high.

 

[User removed 4]

You haven't read his post at all (or you've chosen to deliberately ignore what Guinness Boy is saying) and instead thrown out another wild statement without backing it up whatsoever. Yours is the politics of hate. You bang on about the 'sharp end' and have a crack at Guinness Boy for mentioning Portslade whilst you sit in the backwater of Haywards Heath. Nowhere in the post did GB say Portsalde was particularly bad compared to other areas. Wilful crooked thinking from you.

The point GB makes - quite clearly - is that the benefits of immigration should not be underestimated when the cost to us as taxpayers (relative to everything else we pay out for) is not that high.

Of course he inferred Portslade was bad compared to other areas , or he wouldnt have mentioned the 'crime wave' which saw amongst other things, gasp, a 'betting shop stabbing' , as for where i live , i live there because i wanted to escape all the crap that goes on in london, where i lived for most of my life.

 

[Guerrero]

I live in Spain.
We have had a fair share of Roma beggars in our area over the past ten years or so.
Many sit outside the local supermarkets playing instruments,often the same tune over and over again.
I have never witnessed any aggression from them at all,but I doubt that they are as poor as they say they are.
I have heard the stories of them being picked up at the end of the day in a Mercedes,but I have never seen it myself.
We tend to think that we would rather give them a few euros now and again than have them shinning up our drainpipe while we are out.
Prior to the turn of the year I spoke to a couple of regular beggars who know that I am English.
They said that they were going to the UK as they felt that they could "earn" more there.
I have not seen any of them around since the turn of the year,so maybe you have them there now.
I told them that the people of Croyden and Norwood are particularly generous.

 

[Guinness Boy]

A quite frankly, laughable comparison, you seem to be saying if things are bad in brighton, or your case portslade,( you dont know your ****ing born btw, if you consider that bad) then it doesnt matter if immigrants come in and add to the problem , what planet are you on ?

Hamilton's covered most of it but you haven't answered my other point. What NEW problem are Romanians (specifically) going to add to Brighton that it doesn't have already? Drugs, petty theft and street drinking are all but a way of life in the town centre while the estates already have unemployment and crime problems. Either these (at the moment hypothetical) Romanians are simply going to add to a problem that already exists or they're going to, er, live nicely in Poets Corner and Hanover.

 

[somerset]

Why don't we all revisit the thread in a year.....we should all then have a clearer picture, for better or worse....the influx and its potential consequences were never going to start dead on new years eve were they?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Is this different to the rest of the EU?

You work in the UK you should pay UK tax and NI in my opinion.
Remember this money goes to pay for services such as Doctors, Hospitals, if they are paying less how is this fair?
It's why we should give nothing out until people have made a reasonable contribution to the system for at least five years otherwise they should pay up front for our services or have some sort of insurance.

Not just this, how many people are driving on our roads with foreign plates. Once again wear and tear on our roads which we all pay for.

I have also read that a certain large internet search engine only paid 11.6 million in tax last year.

Why does it feel time and time again that we are getting ripped off.

 

[Guinness Boy]

LETS SEE WHAT THE BBCs OWN POLITICAL EDITOR SAYS ABOUT IMMIGRATION . FOR ALL YOU QUOTING THE BBC SAYING THERES NO PROBLEM .....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...terrible-mistake-over-immigration-debate.html

And I wonder how else you'd promote this.....

Robinson, whose new documentary The Truth About Immigration is due to air on Tuesday,

Actually this is why you SHOULD trust the BBC over time. Like any large organisation they will make mistakes. The difference is they will admit them AND commission shows correcting them. You can't imagine tomorrow's Sun suddenly printing 'You know what, we were wrong over Hillsboro' or 'Wow, actually there was a plan to close more pits than Thatcher disclosed.'

That said where I agree with Robinson and not the Beeb of 10 years ago (and he is talking about 1990s / early 2000s) is that debating immigration honestly is healthy and needs to be done without holding back. I may not agree with you, bushy, cunning fergus et al but it would be a much worse country if you weren't allowed to express your views as forthrightly as you do on this thread. Ignoring / holding back does no one any favours.

 

[User removed 4]

Hamilton's covered most of it but you haven't answered my other point. What NEW problem are Romanians (specifically) going to add to Brighton that it doesn't have already? Drugs, petty theft and street drinking are all but a way of life in the town centre while the estates already have unemployment and crime problems. Either these (at the moment hypothetical) Romanians are simply going to add to a problem that already exists or they're going to, er, live nicely in Poets Corner and Hanover.

When have i ever said that there will be NEW problems ?? Is that your attempt at deflecting attention from the point that any romanian/bulgarian criminals will ADD to any problems or anti social behaviour that goes on, as well as yet again driving down wages for unskilled british workers leading to some tosspot complaining in the papers that ' i advertised the job , but not one local british person grasped the opportunity to harvest my cabbages at 12 pence an hour.'

 

[Deleted member 22389]

When have i ever said that there will be NEW problems ?? Is that your attempt at deflecting attention from the point that any romanian/bulgarian criminals will ADD to any problems or anti social behaviour that goes on, as well as yet again driving down wages for unskilled british workers leading to some tosspot complaining in the papers that ' i advertised the job , but not one local british person grasped the opportunity to harvest my cabbages at 12 pence an hour.'

Nobody should be allowed in to this country until they are checked out properly to make sure they do not have a criminal record in their own country, because at the end of the day the only people who pay for them is the British tax payer.

 

[wellquickwoody]

I pray that brighton ends up having an influx of Romanians or other immigrants .

Me and you could fall out you know!

 

[cunning fergus]

I thought that being part of the EU meant that you had to accept looser border controls which allowed freer movement of people across the EU.



http://europa.eu/legislation_summar...nt_of_persons_asylum_immigration/index_en.htm

So it would appear that if the UK wants to continue to be part of the EU then it must abide by it's rules.

Not sure what Australia has to do with this discussion, especially as you earlier stated that you only care about what goes on in the UK. But I suppose that if a Southern Asian Union was formed and Australia wanted to be part of it then it would have to abide by it's rules.

What a wonderfully docile citizen you must be totally conforming and supporting all Australian laws because they are the rules.

I guess it must be difficult in Australia with some political matters given your unequivocal stance on the rules, take Gay marriage for example..............one Australian state recently legalised it but this was subsequently overturned by the High Court because it conflicts with Federal law.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25344219

The rules are the rules thought.................how your heart must have swelled with pride at this news?

Australia was relevant to the discuss because it does have sensible approach to visiting international workers rather than just an open door....................Australia is not unique in its approach, I could have used the US, Japan, India, China or Pakistan as other examples.

 

[wellquickwoody]

None of what you said explains what additional problem Romanians in Brighton would cause that the city doesn't already have.

I work with a Spaniard, a Frenchie, a Latvian, a Slovak, a Czech and a Lithuanian. The people who are most concerned about Romanian and Bulgarian immigration ain't the Brits funnily enough.

 

[User removed 4]

Me and you could fall out you know!

 

[cunning fergus]

Hamilton's covered most of it but you haven't answered my other point. What NEW problem are Romanians (specifically) going to add to Brighton that it doesn't have already? Drugs, petty theft and street drinking are all but a way of life in the town centre while the estates already have unemployment and crime problems. Either these (at the moment hypothetical) Romanians are simply going to add to a problem that already exists or they're going to, er, live nicely in Poets Corner and Hanover.

The scale of some of the frauds being perpetrated is new, and just like the epidemic levels of fraud being generated from arranged car crashes all customers will end up paying for the more spohistcated controls that will be required to combat the attacks.

ATM fraud is a particular speciality of romanian gangs, and whilst not completely scientific a search for romanian suspects in the attached websites generate 365 articles worldwide. Use British suspect and you get 29.

http://www.atmsecurity.com/index.ph...g=newest&searchphrase=exact&option=com_search

 

[Guinness Boy]

I work with a Spaniard, a Frenchie, a Latvian, a Slovak, a Czech and a Lithuanian. The people who are most concerned about Romanian and Bulgarian immigration ain't the Brits funnily enough.

I work with three Romanians. They've never been arrested for anything, pay taxes and a mortgage here and helped my company win a pan European software deal based in a deprived part of London.

 

[User removed 4]

I work with three Romanians. They've never been arrested for anything, pay taxes and a mortgage here and helped my company win a pan European software deal based in a deprived part of London.

They probably havent GB , but you dont KNOW that, thats one of the gripes that people have, anyway, we're all going round in circles if truth be told, were not going to agree are we ?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I live in Spain.
We have had a fair share of Roma beggars in our area over the past ten years or so.
Many sit outside the local supermarkets playing instruments,often the same tune over and over again.
I have never witnessed any aggression from them at all,but I doubt that they are as poor as they say they are.
I have heard the stories of them being picked up at the end of the day in a Mercedes,but I have never seen it myself.
We tend to think that we would rather give them a few euros now and again than have them shinning up our drainpipe while we are out.
Prior to the turn of the year I spoke to a couple of regular beggars who know that I am English.
They said that they were going to the UK as they felt that they could "earn" more there.
I have not seen any of them around since the turn of the year,so maybe you have them there now.I told them that the people of Croyden and Norwood are particularly generous.

Maybe the took their private jet to the UK?