Thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians spotted at the borders

[Guinness Boy]

They probably havent GB , but you dont KNOW that, thats one of the gripes that people have, anyway, we're all going round in circles if truth be told, were not going to agree are we ?

Not on this no, and you're right I'll leave it there.

 

[MICK PATCHAM]

Or how about this ....Poles work here ....and we pay benefits for their familys .....not here..... but get this ....IN ****ING POLAND!.Seriously if anyone thinks thats a good idea... do me a favour ...dont breed .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-EU-migrants-from-claiming-child-benefit.html

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

IT'S THE OVER STAYERS AND THE ILLEGAL'S THAT GET RIGHT UP MY NOSE PLUS THE SCUM BAGS THAT GIVE THEM WORK HERE
regards
DR

 

[BadFish]

What a wonderfully docile citizen you must be totally conforming and supporting all Australian laws because they are the rules.

I guess it must be difficult in Australia with some political matters given your unequivocal stance on the rules, take Gay marriage for example..............one Australian state recently legalised it but this was subsequently overturned by the High Court because it conflicts with Federal law.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25344219

The rules are the rules thought.................how your heart must have swelled with pride at this news?

Australia was relevant to the discuss because it does have sensible approach to visiting international workers rather than just an open door....................Australia is not unique in its approach, I could have used the US, Japan, India, China or Pakistan as other examples.

None of these countries are part of a larger organization by whose rules they have to abide.

The point i was repsonding to was that you asked why tightening up immigration rules would mean leaving the EU.

 

[BadFish]

You work in the UK you should pay UK tax and NI in my opinion.
Remember this money goes to pay for services such as Doctors, Hospitals, if they are paying less how is this fair?
It's why we should give nothing out until people have made a reasonable contribution to the system for at least five years otherwise they should pay up front for our services or have some sort of insurance.

Not just this, how many people are driving on our roads with foreign plates. Once again wear and tear on our roads which we all pay for.

I have also read that a certain large internet search engine only paid 11.6 million in tax last year.

Why does it feel time and time again that we are getting ripped off.

You are getting ripped off but not by a few poor Romanians, Poles or Bulgarians.

One thing I am sure of is that those who are ripping us all off will not mind one iota that immigrants time and time again immigrants cop the blame instead of them.

a good time for this joke to get another airing

A banker, a Daily Mail reader and an immigrant are sitting at a table sharing 12 biscuits. The banker takes 11 and says to the Daily Mail reader: “Watch out for the immigrant, he wants your biscuit”

with the banker is a politician and a corporate MD and you just about have it.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

interesting to hear that some of our euro friends have their wages topped up through benefit additions, apparent loophole currently used by some employers but to be closed by the inland revenue shortly
regards
DR

 

[melias shoes]

IT'S THE OVER STAYERS AND THE ILLEGAL'S THAT GET RIGHT UP MY NOSE PLUS THE SCUM BAGS THAT GIVE THEM WORK HERE
regards
DR

Much cheapness.

 

[cunning fergus]

None of these countries are part of a larger organization by whose rules they have to abide.

The point i was repsonding to was that you asked why tightening up immigration rules would mean leaving the EU.

What does that matter, notwithstanding the fact that the British electorate have not been asked to approve open borders for foreign nationals from EU countries, the rules are wrong because they are not serving to protect the British public from individuals not conducive to the British public good.

Had we had more robust controls we would not have some of the following here........

http://news.stv.tv/east-central/150172-life-sentence-for-rapist-who-held-victim-for-eight-hours/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-14280419

http://www.kilburntimes.co.uk/news/...after_12_years_on_the_run_in_poland_1_2909519

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/lithuanian-predator-who-fled-arrest-3324677

http://swns.com/news/lithuanian-immigrant-raped-battered-woman-month-arriving-uk-34071/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...m-Latvia-was-able-to-kill-and-rape-in-UK.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25092604

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/runaway-romanian-jailed-seven-years-2835922

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...oman-so-he-could-learn-English-in-prison.html

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c35_1377790699

http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/4..._for_seven_years/?action=complain&cid=8127311

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tal-come-UK-tried-rape-student-23-bridge.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ild-rapist-Victor-Akulic-allowed-into-UK.html

If you consider that it is OK for these types of crimes happen in the UK solely because of "the rules" then you are a ****ing idiot.

 

[Hamilton]

What does that matter, notwithstanding the fact that the British electorate have not been asked to approve open borders for foreign nationals from EU countries, the rules are wrong because they are not serving to protect the British public from individuals not conducive to the British public good.

Had we had more robust controls we would not have some of the following here........

http://news.stv.tv/east-central/150172-life-sentence-for-rapist-who-held-victim-for-eight-hours/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-14280419

http://www.kilburntimes.co.uk/news/...after_12_years_on_the_run_in_poland_1_2909519

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/lithuanian-predator-who-fled-arrest-3324677

http://swns.com/news/lithuanian-immigrant-raped-battered-woman-month-arriving-uk-34071/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...m-Latvia-was-able-to-kill-and-rape-in-UK.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25092604

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/runaway-romanian-jailed-seven-years-2835922

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...oman-so-he-could-learn-English-in-prison.html

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c35_1377790699

http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/4..._for_seven_years/?action=complain&cid=8127311

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tal-come-UK-tried-rape-student-23-bridge.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ild-rapist-Victor-Akulic-allowed-into-UK.html

If you consider that it is OK for these types of crimes happen in the UK solely because of "the rules" then you are a ****ing idiot.

I fail to see the link between these appalling crimes and immigration policy as a whole. I can see the link between these crimes and controlling the movement of criminals. Innocent people should still be allowed to go about their business in the EU. That's all you are advocating isn't it?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I fail to see the link between these appalling crimes and immigration policy as a whole. I can see the link between these crimes and controlling the movement of criminals. Innocent people should still be allowed to go about their business in the EU. That's all you are advocating isn't it?

It's many other things for example the strain increased migration places on our housing, services such as schools, hospitals and the extra costs to our benefits system, the extra competition it creates for jobs especially in the unskilled sector, and in some cases the integration of people. It is about what is going to happen in the future.

It's not the peoples fault, it is the general imcompetance of our governments that have created the mess.
Tighten the borders make it like Australia like I keep hearing, and these problems would go away.

 

[Hamilton]

It's many other things for example the strain increased migration places on our housing, services such as schools, hospitals and the extra costs to our benefits system, the extra competition it creates for jobs especially in the unskilled sector, and in some cases the integration of people. It is about what is going to happen in the future.

It's not the peoples fault, it is the general imcompetance of our governments that have created the mess.
Tighten the borders make it like Australia like I keep hearing, and these problems would go away.

It doesn't put any particular strain on public services. There is a tonne of data to disprove this that has been widely published. We must knock this myth on the head.

 

[BigGully]

It doesn't put any particular strain on public services. There is a tonne of data to disprove this that has been widely published. We must knock this myth on the head.

Would there ever be a time when you feel immigration should be restricted ( in terms of numbers ) ??

 

[Simster]

What does that matter, notwithstanding the fact that the British electorate have not been asked to approve open borders for foreign nationals from EU countries, the rules are wrong because they are not serving to protect the British public from individuals not conducive to the British public good.

I have sympathy for your argument, but the British electorate are not asked to approve pretty much anything. We don't want plebiscite/referendums on EVERY major decisions - we elect our MPs to delegate that responsibility and call them to account for the decisions they make.

I'd be interested to know why you feel we need more robust controls on our borders when there are already 26 EU/EFTA countries who seem happy enough to belong to the Schengen area.

 

[somerset]

...... there are already 26 EU/EFTA countries who seem happy enough to belong to the Schengen area.

Signed up yes, but do you really think there is a joyous consensus now that they are seeing some of the consequences manifest themselves?...... you need to look a bit deeper, there is discontent across many of the 26 at the large influx of itinerant workers from some of the less prosperous regions....even Herr Tub will admit that there are issues.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I have sympathy for your argument, but the British electorate are not asked to approve pretty much anything. We don't want plebiscite/referendums on EVERY major decisions - we elect our MPs to delegate that responsibility and call them to account for the decisions they make.

I'd be interested to know why you feel we need more robust controls on our borders when there are already 26 EU/EFTA countries who seem happy enough to belong to the Schengen area.

And what makes you think all the other 26 EU countries follow the rules becuase I bet they don't. The focus is always on the UK being the bad guys.
France, Italy, Spain and other wealthier countries in the EU are just like the UK. There is growing resentment towards the EU and the rules around open borders.

I know this is the Daily Mail but here is one example of why open borders are failing
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nds-outside-EU-head-UK-passport-loophole.html

Now lets be honest where are these people going to head?

 

[Hamilton]

Would there ever be a time when you feel immigration should be restricted ( in terms of numbers ) ??

Within an economic and political union? And numbers? Nope.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I have sympathy for your argument, but the British electorate are not asked to approve pretty much anything. We don't want plebiscite/referendums on EVERY major decisions - we elect our MPs to delegate that responsibility and call them to account for the decisions they make.

I'd be interested to know why you feel we need more robust controls on our borders when there are already 26 EU/EFTA countries who seem happy enough to belong to the Schengen area.

And that's exactly the salient point. If you don't like it vote UKIP or for an anti EU candidate from the main parties if you have one. I didn't get a referendum on what the Tories are doing to the NHS or what Labour did in Iraq for that matter.

 

[Simster]

[MENTION=468]somerset[/MENTION] and [MENTION=22389]bashlsdir[/MENTION], do you know what the Schengen area is? How can you possibly NOT follow those rules? It would pretty obvious if those rules weren't being followed. Back in the 90s, I was cycling through France, Germany, Netherlands, Luxembourg and Belgium - and in four holidays I wasn't stopped for my passport ONCE. So yes, I'd say they DO follow that particular rule.

My position is that I'm really struggling to see what possible benefits the British man on the street is going to see, from having large numbers of East Europeans flood into our country. I don't mind immigration and see it as a necessity for a vibrant and tolerant society, but it seems to me that for skills we don't need there should be restrictions on the numbers coming in.

 

[BadFish]

It's many other things for example the strain increased migration places on our housing, services such as schools, hospitals and the extra costs to our benefits system, the extra competition it creates for jobs especially in the unskilled sector, and in some cases the integration of people. It is about what is going to happen in the future.

It's not the peoples fault, it is the general imcompetance of our governments that have created the mess.
Tighten the borders make it like Australia like I keep hearing, and these problems would go away.

I am afraid that the short answer to this is that it won't. People over here still blame immigrants for their woes.

 

[User removed 4]

It doesn't put any particular strain on public services. There is a tonne of data to disprove this that has been widely published. We must knock this myth on the head.

Really ??
In inner London 55% of primary school pupils dont have english as a first language , in outer london the figure is 39%, the figure across the rest of the UK is one in six, do you think the problems this causes put strain on the education authorities involved , do you think that this hinders children who are native english speakers ?
In 2012, a quarter (25.9%) of all births in England and Wales were to mothers born outside the United Kingdom. In London this figure was 57.4%. In the London Boroughs of Newham, Brent, Westminster and Kensington and Chelsea over 70% of births are to mothers born outside the UK.

A Parliamentary answer revealed that in 2011, 64.9% of all births in London were to couples where one or both were born outside the UK, do you really think that the character and identity of this country WONT be changed by this ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/the_p_word/newsid_7217000/7217953.stm

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/gove...s-placing-huge-strain-on-britain-7300265.html

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8847831/the-next-nhs-scandal/

I could go on.........