Thoughts on the state of British Society?

[Goldstone Rapper]

What is interesting is that everybody here seems to relates to themselves as the victim of what they consider to be the social ills of the country. Everyone is happy to point the finger, to play the blame game, to say it's 'that lot over there that are the problem.' On a wider scale, bankers will blame those on benefit, those on benefit will blame the bankers. The old will blame the young, the young will blame the old. Right-wingers will blame the 'permissive' 1960s, left-wingers will blame the 'greedy' 1980s. Everyone can find whatever evidence, whatever news story, they want to find to think that they are right and others are wrong.

Unless people are willing to look at their own part in all of this and clean up their own messes, threads like this will just be another passing the blame exercise.

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

you might not like them, but fact of the matter is rich bankers children are not the ones loitering around harrasing people.

It's not really the fact of the matter though, is it?

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

It's not really the fact of the matter though, is it?

Which early '80s pop group is that?

 

[dingodan]

Due to the response from earlier research, I've just started phase 2 of a university research project looking at whether Britain is regressing to a less civil state with less social constraint and more casual aggression. The questionnaire is live at Barbaric Britain? and as you’ll see, the questions are very current. One of them focuses on the current arguments surrounding the welfare system, for example. It should only take you a couple of minutes and thanks in advance.

Society is being deliberately, systematically destroyed, so that a new one can be offered up in it's place.

Research the Frankfurt School.

 

[beorhthelm]

Right-wingers will blame the 'permissive' 1960s, left-wingers will blame the 'greedy' 1980s. Everyone can find whatever evidence, whatever news story, they want to find to think that they are right and others are wrong.

on balance they are both right. thats the heart of the problem, the two come together and dont work very well. people are told its not their fault or their responsiblility someone else can fix it or is to blame. its the inherent flaw in social welfare, i dont think theres a solution unfortunatly. a lack of personal responsbility is the root of these problem, re-instill that and we might get somewhere.

The system needs to change so both the rich and the poor can't make these kinds of choices. Wealth needs to be more fairly distributed.

thats been tried. Failed in most places, though China seems to be getting on quite well with it.

 

[dingodan]

thats been tried. Failed in most places, though China seems to be getting on quite well with it.

QFT.

Cannot blame the free market for today's conditions, because the market is not free. The free market is the most efficient way of delivering the most goods and services to the most people, at the lowest cost and the highest quality.

And to those who say that the free market does not work, we have never tried it!

 

[dingodan]

What is happening in the US, UK and the rest of Europe.

 

[jakarta]

Which early '80s pop group is that?

Was my exact thought!

 

[supaseagull]

Politicians do not dictate general british public

That's correct - trash media such as The Mail, The Sub and glossy gossip magazines do.

The media have controlled the British public for over 30 years.

 

[dingodan]

That's correct - trash media such as The Mail, The Sub and glossy gossip magazines do.

The media have controlled the British public for over 30 years.

Correct. So the question then becomes, where are the British public? And the question after that becomes, why did the media move them there?

You could argue that media content is purely based on the pursuit of profit, and that there is no political influence on the media...or you could be realistic.

 

[RexCathedra]

Rather begs a large question to ask for 'thoughts on the state of British society' when the memory of the woman who said "Who is 'society'? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families...' is nothing less than sacred.

Like asking 'what's your favorite color of unicorn'...

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

Correct usage of 'begs the question':
Can't we just raise the question?

 

[RexCathedra]

Correct use of 'begs the question'.

Before one asks 'what is the state of British society', one must first ask the antecedent question, left unasked, whether there is such a thing as 'British society'.

The second, unasked question is logically prior to the first, and its answer is needed for the discussion to proceed.

British society -- if there is such a thing -- is far from agreement on the antecedent question. So discussion of the second is moot.

 

[daveinprague]

How much has society changed since tv entered the mass market? People older than me im sure can help with that?

 

[daveinprague]

It's not really the fact of the matter though, is it?

Is that the mayor of London sitting in the front?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Start by getting rid of this horrible American cancer...the compensation culture, which has turned most people into selfish, greedy individuals.

That was Thatcher mate, not ambulance chasing lawyers.

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

Is that the mayor of London sitting in the front?

Bullingdon Club

 

[pastafarian]

The state of this country STINKS.

Given the current welfare reforms and resulting serious reductions in housing benefits and various allowances I asked my workshy neighbour how the changes would affect her. She's NEVER worked more than a day in her life and gets a fairly cushty little flat in my building paid for by the council HOWEVER as she's under 35 it was my understanding that the changes to housing benefit would mean she'd lose a lot of the money she is given.

But OF COURSE NOT. She told me it's all fine, she just had to change what benefits she was claiming, after being ADVISED by the cretins in the jobshop. Now instead of being a regular unemployed layabout she has a note from the doctor excusing her from even having to look for a job because she suffers from "social anxiety". This in turn saves her from having to find money for her flat.

What the f***ing f***?

I pay a serious WEDGE of money on my flat, and then taxes on top, whilst she does f*** ALL every day and doesn't have to pay a bean. I regularly hear her having late night parties all messed up on booze and coke because she has NOTHING to pay for and NOTHING else to do so just spunks whatever cash she does get on living it up.

Drives me f***ing INSANE.

Not only are we honest, hardworking folk screwed over by high inflation and unreasonable taxes that make the cost of living very difficult, but the civil servants who are meant to be working for us are willingly telling SLACKERS how to play the system and get away without having to play by the rules whilst spunking our hard earned tax money on frivolous bullshit.

im not sure i can take anything you say seriously.
only a few months ago you were defending people getting benefits like a crackwhore,but you had lost your job though.

i get your point on the wasters but now you are working again you are taking some sort of moral high ground....well done!

pleased to hear you a found a job though.

 

[jevs]

That was Thatcher mate, not ambulance chasing lawyers.

Thought it was Blair that rubber stamped the compo culture !!

 

[dingodan]

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